Evolution is a religion 6.0

I wondered if you would call me on that. One question? How have we mutated in the past few hundred thousand years? We can't figure out how folks built the pyramids, yet we think we are more advanced. In fact, we are less advanced as a species and more technologically advanced in electronics. They didn't need it much, yet had batteries that worked and could be recharged.

Tell me what drove these technological offshoots and why are they better than the old world? Have we truly evolved? I seriously doubt it.

 

Whether all you say is true or not I still don’t agree with one thing. This argument is not science vs religion. It is really science vs science. Religion cannot prove God did it, that is not the objective of many of us opponents, we are just questioning the proof for your claims ---as do other legitimate scientists. The fossil record is not necessarily your friend. Gould & Co. say there is no fossil evidence for gradual evolution so they created their own theory of punctuated equilibrium. The larger body says no evidence for punctuated equilibrium. No small issue. But if they challenge the claims on this, why can’t we?

However, for me the only real battle of real significance is whether an intelligent designer had to be involved or not. That is the crux. And by some science teachings saying no I.D. was necessary for the processes all to have taken place, that is what one could contend as a scientific argument that crosses over into the supernatural.


ps – I am not here to support one thing that DMB guy is saying, I don't even know what side he is on but I am not part of it.

 

Since we are able to save just about anyone these days via technology ... this would be a case of DEVO .. de-evolution (or at least cessation of a sort) as the "survival of the fittest" part has been muted.

Mutation happen every day of course. Every so often a stray gamma ray happens end its life ( which occurs with an explosion) right as is passing through someones body and is at the DNA. The explosion causes a change to the DNA - mutation. This is how radioactivity kills someone .. their DNA is getting blasted. This is also what happens with cancer. Cancer is just another name for mutated cells that happen to reproduce.

From a species standpoint we are not much different from the folks that built the pyramids. It hundreds of thousands of years (rather than a few thousand) for enough changes to happen to be able to call the differentiated entity a new species.

You also need a separation between the two populations which has not been the case between us and the folks that built the pyramids.

We have advanced technologically (this does not have much to do with evolution) but we have gone backwards from a social perspective - meaning that our understanding of people and society is not as good as back when folks did not have so many alternatives so there had to socialize with each other if they wanted entertainment.

 

Oh really?!! Science has no clue what causes gravity and never will because it CAN 'T. Gravity is the power of the Gravity God, pulling at you to keep you here so you can fulfill the purpose of the God Almighty!

 

I have bad news for you. I SAW evolution happen. I saw a one-celled life form evolve into a kitten.

 

The fraction of life forms we get to see is infinitesimal. That's just a physical reality. So, there is a rich playground for those working out exactly who begat whom and why, in terms of species.

Whether "punctuated equilibrium" is closer or farther from what happened than "phyletic gradualism" is a discussion internal to evolution. But, in NO WAY does that invalidate the theory of evolution.

Well, the theory of evolution depends ENTIRELY on what is NOT supernatural. Science leaves religion alone - it's very definition excludes stepping across that line.

I'd also point out that the only justification religion has for stating that science is wrong is found in requiring the allegory in Genesis to be taken as literal - a decision for which there is no evidence.

Outside of that one single interpretation it would be perfectly acceptable for the Abrahamic faiths to assume god created the big bang such that humans would appear.

Overall, I'd rather we worked on finding ways NOT to be in conflict. Pitting science against religion is just plain ridiculous. They are FAR too different in EVERY meaningful way.

Even the last couple Popes (undeniably a couple of the world's leading Christian theologians) have pointed out that science and religion are different "realms" - that we shouldn't see them as in conflict.

 

All well and good, but the issue still can be considered by man in religious terms outside of the classroom, even by scientists. One can say the fact a human cell has a thousand machines inside of each one working in concert; based on what we know about life it seems quite certain none of this could have happened on its own or by chance. (imo) We say that is evidence for an intelligent designer.

And so carry on science with your truths and we will carry on with other truths, if not greater ones.

 

Good lord! I'm not asking you to dump your god!

On the other hand, you're talking about "what we know about life" - and that is a reference to science, because what we know about how life works comes from science.

And, science derived and thoroughly accepts the theory of evolution.

It's accepted to the point of being a foundational principle of all modern biology.

"What we know about life" includes "evolution".

 

Actually, that is exactly what I was referring to with that phrase, i.e., science, not the mystical. The point being, all that we know from science, the very idea of a clump of amino acids or proteins or primordial soup, given enough time, eventually becomes a gorilla by chance or without intelligent thought sounds implausible to the extreme.

And I know neither you nor science are trying to disprove God, but my point there is that what mission we are on far surpasses (in importance) what science delves into, that’s all. (imo)

 

That Sucks!

 

I don't even know if you believe in evolution... just typing because you are bored I assume...

 

FINALLY A POST WORTH RESPONDING TO!!!

I thank you...

EVOLUTION has not passed the scientific method. It hasn't even come close.

If you think it has passed the method, how? How did it pass the Scientifc Method, because it has not...

 

Do you believe in evolution and if you do why? Tell me you do not have "faith" the people who told you, since you have no idea what evolution is, or the different types of evolution you believe in (like religions).

So, please, since you are SO SMART, tell me who told you, why you believed them, and which evolution do you believe in?

 

Do you believe in evolution, said jerk might change...

 

And the other definitions of religion are? Please enlighten us on dictionary definitions. I am happy you looked something up and got educated!!! Nice!!! But, you needed to keep reading... I do apologize if that causes you headaches or anxiety. Take your time and please look up all the definitions of religion...

 

Negative, because I already know it isn't true, I am saying you believe in it BY FAITH!!!

Do you believe in evolution? If so, why if it is not faith based... You have faith the person that told you was truthful...

 

Please... if you believe in Evolution, tell me why. That is it.

Why do you believe in evolution!!!!

And you can't without looking crap up!!! Because you have "FAITH" that it is true...

If not, prove me wrong... If it is not faith, how did, as posted previously, did evolution become science instead of faith?

 

See....I'm one of those weird people that dwell in a world of reality based and factual thingys. I tend to review not just the opinions of people smarter than me but often reams of data to verify they actually ARE smart. In the case of Evolution there are so many concurring opinions from folks I trust but far to much data for me to ever read through.
I guess you could say I believe in evolution.

 

Yes, I don't mean to attack religion including whether we're on a mission of some sort.

I think there are a lot of things about our universe that are incredibly difficult to contemplate. The idea that light can behave as particles and as waves at the same time. The fact that particles come into and out of existence in a vacuum. Anything from quantum mechanics. The equivalence of mass and energy. The idea of "warping space/time". The observation that most matter in the universe is not detectable other than by its gravity - that if you had a pencil made of dark matter it would fall through your desk without leaving a trace, because the forces that cause a normal pencil to be stopped by a desk simply don't apply. Just about anything about black holes.

Our human experience doesn't provide a way to easily accept these things as natural even though they can be demonstrated as how things actually do work.

Evolution isn't just chance, of course. You've omitted that there are natural guides, the most commonly referenced being the challenge of survival and competition.

Plus, there is a lot of lab time. There are estimated to be 200 billion to 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe. On average, a galaxy contains 100 billion stars. The universe has been around for more than 13 billion years. When you start doing the multiplication to find the total "lab time" the number of "lab years" gets huge. Let's remember that we would exist only in a place where life started. It happens to be earth, but it could have been a planet or moon of any of those stars. And, it could have been at some other time - not 13.8 billion years since the big bang like it happens to be today.

 

Fair enough... put, ever once and a while you surprise me with intelligence... not often, but sometimes!!!

 

God has NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION!!! Which has been discussed in several debates... Evolution could happen after God created, but that is all Faith based.
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Do you believe it is faith based or actual science? That is what I am asking, and thank you for being intelligent!!!

 

Not fact, never proven... if so, say when and where, and who did it, and the person who confirmed their dicovery...