EVs Are The Yugo Of The 21st Century

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  1. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    A subsidized commodity is similar to a human being on welfare...it doesn't work.
     
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    I don't know. GM made a series of cars in which they still haven't figured out how to get the transmission to work or even replace it.

    Ford created a series of car with a transmission which reliably needs to be completely replaced every 50,000 miles.

    That's just off the top of my head.

    Have you ever thought that some people bought electric because they were tired of being burned by ICE?
    What happens when your engine dies?

    Now you might live a charmed-life. But most people have had to deal with dead engines.
    People who buy electric cars for the environment are stupid morons. I don't know of a single person who has bought an electric car for the environment. The auto industry is selling electric cars because Tesla has tested the market and found people who want them.

    Most cars will eventually need to be replaced. Claiming "disposable cars" is silly.
    Used cars tend to be a gamble which is why many companies offer a warranty on used cars. Batteries decay more reliably and predictably than engines do.
    I would suggest you stop gaslighting yourself then.
     
  3. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    If it wasn't for the climate change non-sense, nobody would be buying EVs [except those folks who decided to retire in golf course communities]. They make no sense. Come back when battery technology improves 2-3x's.
     
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    Can we have our money back for the Iraq war?
     
  5. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't hurt to ask. If they send you a check, let the rest of us know!
     
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    When I graduated college I drove from NY straight through to Ft Benning, GA stopping only for quick pit stops as required. When I can do that in an EV, I MIGHT consider buying one... maybe
     
  7. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Right. The electric motors function more like transmissions than actual motors.
     
  8. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    That is not even remotely correct.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah the torque on an an EV is impressive. 0 to 40 in 2 seconds. The only problem missing is there’s nowhere to go after that.
     
  10. Pieces of Malarkey

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    OK, maybe you'll get the difference between a diesel electric locomotive and an EV automobile if we simplify it even further.

    Real simply and slowly, a diesel electric locomotive doesn't run off a battery. There is no battery cell that has to be charged for the locomotive to run. The diesel engine is the exclusive source of electricity for the electric motor making the locomotive very much similar to a hybrid in automobile terms.

    The electric motor simply delivers outstanding torque to move astonishingly heavy loads.

    If the locomotive were to attempt to be like an EV, it would probably need maybe a half dozen lithium ion train cars (imagine what would happen if those failed and randomly burst into flames) to give the train an effective range of maybe 30 feet before recharging.

    Sorry, you're the one that's not even remotely correct.
     
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    What is most unfortunate in the discussion of vehicles powered by batteries is that it has come to focus on cars that want to imitate the weight, power and size of the oversized types that have become the vogue. It is as if there must be one solution for everyone in every situation. The fact is, electric vehicles can take any number of forms for any number of people in any number of situations. For example, ebikes are perfect for an enormous number of commuters in various locations. Not everyone, of course, but such machines could, and already do, contribute greatly to reduction of pollution and congestion. Extending this idea just a little bit, it would be easy to construct similarly powered enclosed vehicles where the driver was seated and drove like a tiny car. This could not be done in the present configuration of traffic on the roads, but we may have to revisit old habits for something better.
    There is little reason that artisans and repairmen abandon their small trucks in order to function. The planet won't die because of them. It is merely the terrible excesses that society has tolerated regarding personal transportation that poison our lungs and our ears that must be addressed.
     
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    What do you mean?

    0 - 40 doesn’t use that much charge.
     
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    it's a back screening circle.

    a car manufacturer is most in competition with itself. More itself of the previous model. If you could buy a used car that's functional adequate in drive it for 8 or 9 years, the bedufacturers sees that is a sale they don't get. They were disposable replaceable cars. It isn't just the battery that goes to the landfill it's the entire car. There won't be junk yards because there won't be people restoring old junk or driving old junk because it's undrivable. So body's interior batteries axles all of it goes to the landfill.

    Depleting the used car market. Who the hell would buy a car that 6 years old that you may get eight months to 4 years out of? If I do it has to be dirt cheap and we're talking $900.

    20k huh must be beat up I'm betting 30k.
    There's kind of this religious devotion to electric cars and these people seem to disseminate information or rather wishful thinking as though it were information.
     
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    The electric motors are the items providing the power.
     
  15. Pieces of Malarkey

    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    Now you're just wasting space on the forum.
     
  16. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Hey at least I don't refer to an electric motor as a transmission. BTW, EVs have only one gear.
     
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    As someone once said - Caveat Emptor.

    As someone also once said - a fool and his money are easily parted.
     
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    No shiite? You're just learning this.

    By the way, I've been an automotive powertrain engineer for the last 35 years. You should really drop the false hubris. Not a good look.
     
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    Efficient is a moot point when the range is too short to go anywhere and in States where it gets cold in the Winter. I thought about buying an EV (Nissian VOLT) for short range trips, but I wasn't sure it would have the range to even get to the dealer and back in the middle of Winter. To me a car has "jack sh**" to do with MAGA, advanced technology or what other countries are doing. Rather, it is about having a basic, low cost vehicle that meets my transportation needs. Low cost means low cost insurance, and not being dependent on the dealer for service as well as purchase price. EVs may become practical for the average person if batteries can be swapped at service stations much propane tanks and what not. Maybe with the state of things we should go back to low tech. The free market must develop consumer solutions and that means taking the political subsidies off the table.

    If I could buy a plug in EV for a few thousand, that did not require a license or insurance, a sort of golf cart on steriods that could go 30MPH I would immediately buy one to go to the grocery store or gym which is a five mile trip. And since you wanted to make this discussion political, the electric humvees and such promoted by Dems such as this guy are of no interest to me.

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    You are not accurate with EV performance and range. Most and within 75% of current production and it will only get better. ICE now actually shuts down part of the engine to be more efficient. Bottom line, you don't want one, don't buy one, but going around and trying to make EVs as a waste is ridiculous.
     
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    Hybrid should have been developed further. Full electric is a pipe dream.
     
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    If it works for you and you don't do Long drives, great.. you have $70,000 Yugo. :lol:
     
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    They need to bring by the GEO metro, 1000 cc, strick shift, with 48 mph city and if memory is correct 57 mph highway.
     
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    We have an ICE vehicle if we don’t want to wait or the supercharging network if we wanna shop while we charge.

    Rentals are also always an option
     
  25. Bullseye

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    Having an ICE seems to be a norm amongst EV owners from what I've read.
    Yeah, spend piles of bucks for a woeness symbol and rent a gas vehicle for serious driving. Makes sense to me. :rolleyes:
     
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