Ex-premiers angered by move to cut entitlements

They get voted out (effectively fired) and they are entitled to life-time leeching off the public? They are useless public servants ffs!
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21 May, 2012 03:00 AM

WEALTHY former premiers including Nick Greiner, now a key adviser to the O'Farrell government, objected to moves to take away their generous taxpayer-funded entitlements.

The government yesterday stopped short of slashing entitlements to former premiers Nick Greiner, Bob Carr and Neville Wran to avoid the threat of legal action.

The Premier, Barry O'Farrell, yesterday said he would reduce their combined entitlements by $500,000 from $1.6 million last year to $1.1 million in 2012-13.

But the Herald has learnt Mr O'Farrell wanted to go much further in slashing the entitlements because the former premiers have also received lucrative incomes in the private sector. Mr Carr was a former consultant to Macquarie Bank, Mr Greiner has held multiple company directorships and Mr Wran was a merchant banker.

But each has produced a letter guaranteeing their government entitlements for life. A senior government source said the former premiers ''highlighted the legal validity of those letters''.

The Herald understands Mr O'Farrell wanted to avoid potentially costly legal action and this had prevented him from cutting the entitlements more severely.

''Each of the three former premiers have done very well in the business world. But we didn't want to enter legal action, that would have cost us more in the long run,'' the source said.

Mr Greiner refused to give up his taxpayer-funded Macquarie Street office after the government asked him to relocate to a cheaper one in a government building.

A spokesman for Mr O'Farrell yesterday said Mr Greiner would stay in his existing office but is now required to reimburse the Department of Premier and Cabinet for costs ''over and above'' those to be spent on offices for Mr Wran and Mr Carr.

In response to a freedom of information request, the Herald found the annual rent for Mr Greiner's 209.8-metre-square office was $136,101.72, compared to $96,102.69 for Mr Carr's 199.59-metre-square office.

http://www.winghamchronicle.com.au/...ered-by-move-to-cut-entitlements/2562482.aspx

 

Lowlife parasites who refuse to give up suckling on the tax payers teat!! This highlights why we seriously need to get rid of them out of our lives once and for all!!

 

This is one subject which really gets my back up...these leeches cost the taxpayers millions of dollars AFTER they retire...
and as I said in an earlier post, they have the hide to take money out of Treasury if their yearly super asset growth does not
reach a certain percentage...camel excrement upon all of them....

 

We`ve got it all wrong. Politicians get paid too much to retire, and too little to preform. This needs urgent attention.

 

The problem is Aussie, these parasites already get too much tax payer funded salaries to under-preform. Giving politicians more money is not going to change their behaviour or deliver better outcomes, they have proven that when they give themselves Hugh 7% pay increases and they still under-preform and act like idiots.

 

I say that they shouldn't get so many benefits after they retire.

That way they will stop voting and passing laws that sting the average Australian because it affects them too.

Ofcourse Gillard and Swan and Co. dont care about the effects of the carbon tax because they are immune to it.

What about us, if we are lucky enough to get the pension then we are not allowed to work.

Why should these leeches have it any different, if they continue to work in high paid jobs their pensions should be cut FFS.

 

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I think most of our politicians fall into this category when it comes to the NWO.

Otherwise how can they sell themselves and then their country into financial slavery.

Thats why i call them traitors.

 

No argument from me. The system is wrong. Our political system now mainly attracts meglomaniacal posers, and hopeless parasites.. It seems that all systems of human endeavour corrode / erode over time. We are overdue for a complete update of our legal, governmental and bureaucratic systems. Call me cynical, but I don`t trust human nature with the job.

 

Absolutely, and the only thing that will work I believe is to put in place the Citizen Intitiated Referendum system in this country, where not only the people of Australia get to have a say on what becomes law but also a to be able to fire the parasites known as today's politicians if the do not perform their duties when employed by the people.

I believe Hanson tried that and was crucified, how dare she try to get the parasites to be accountable!

 

Isn't Greiner pushing for QLD to privatize it's Energy sector?

Just put the guy on the Pension. He's lost touch with reality.

 

Pauline Hansen may not have had the ability to govern, and in a political sense, she wouldn`t have presented a threat to conventional politicians, if she hadn`t tried to get people to question the political status quo. This fish and chip shop lady honestly tried to give the Australian people a voice, that is a cardinal sin in the Australian poltical arena. The way the political gravy train passengers attacked Hansen should have raised the suspicions of any thinking person. Hansen is niave, but not racist, the racist lable was pinned on her to discredit her, a brainwashing proceedure for simple people.

In many ways, too many Australians are too easily manipulated by their controlers. Wake up Australia, the Hansen saga was a big win for the useless parasites who profess to govern. Don`t let them lead you around like sheep.

 

It's no good trying to take away money they've effectively already been given. Premier needs to start with himself, and stop any future entitlements from being given out. I agree that we should pay them more while in office, and nothing when out of it. Half direct-democracy like the Swiss would be great.

Hansen is an idiot.

 

It would be awesome but the problem at the moment is that most Australians aka "sheep" would not have a clue that this type of democracy exists as it is kept very quiet with the controlled media constantly playing this left and right puppet show, that there is no other choice.

 

The problem is that it would require a brand new constitution, and people hate change.

 

We obviously can`t default on existing arrangements, but there is no excuse for not working on the present problem. Our legal, beuracratic, and governmental systems are all overdue for review, I think most people would agree.
It`s too easy to abuse Pauline Hansen, she`s an uneducated fish and chip shop lady, who`s only crime is to threaten the leisure of the gravy train passengers. Hansen is by no means a polished performer, an easy target for political bullies and their faithfull sheeple. Rather than asault Hannsen, it would be more constructive to address some of the PC taboo subjects that she tried to introduce for honest discussion, but PC sheep are the most intolerant, abusive, and self satisfied people on the planet.

 

I support the poster “Mario Milano” comment is suggesting that Australians desperately need a Citizens Initiated referendum System.

Politicians always keep saying the people hate change, but people eventually adapt. The real reason why many people don’t like change is because the new change is never/rarely explained to them properly by the scummy politicians WHO don’t want the change in the first place. So they know that if they keep the people ignorant and misinformed, then the people will be frightened and won’t want the change.

The last time the people of Australia were allowed to raise their democratic voice in what happens in this country was in 1999 - the Republic Vs Monarchy referendum; 13 years ago.

Why should 150 scummy politicians be allowed to dictate to 20 million Australians as to why gay marriage should or shouldn’t be legalised. Lets have a referendum on the issue in 2013 and let the Australians democratic voice decide the issue.

Look at the pathetic and undemocratic system with Thompson. He is going before the Parliamentary disciplinary committee, but he will be exonerated regardless of whether or he found to be guilty or not because the ALP have the committee “stacked” with their members - now there these scummy politicians are showing true democracy to the Australian people.

We the people of Australia seriously need to put politicians, bureaucrats, and Governments Departments back on a collar and leash before its too late.

What the hell has gone wrong here; they are our employees and are suppose to be working for us, but we have turned into their employees and are now working for them!!

 

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The problem is that it would require a brand new constitution, and people hate change.
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Funny you should say that, I bet it is exactly the same thing these parasites/politicians that want to be unaccountable and leech as much from the tax payer as possible for the rest of their lives would say the same thing.

FYI Ziggy you are wrong that people hate change, here is a perfect example for you that people in Australia voted for change in a referendum. The Australian Constitution was voted in by Australians in a referendum!
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http://justgroundsonline.com/forum/topics/citizens-initiated-referenda

It is not generally known but our own Federal Constitution, which is said to be one of the most democratic in the world, was originally adopted by referendum whereas the constitutions of most other countries were imposed on the people without a vote. And s.128, which deals with the method of its alteration, was included as a direct copy of the Swiss system. I have always found it ironic that our nation's founding fathers so wholeheartedly embraced democracy and yet here we are in the 21st century with the power of the people so weakened by successive governments that we are denied the opportunity to voice our wishes by means of referendum on anything of any importance, implying therefore that we are not to be trusted.



No country which has introduced CIR has ever voted to abolish it. At the very least we should investigate their experiences and learn from them. Until we do, the use of the word "democracy" has a rather hollow ring to it.

 

I`m confidant that the majority of Australians would welcome updating our Governmental, Justice, and Bureaucratic systems, particularly if we were to have a say in the matters. These systems are all top heavy, bound in red tape, and all but completely dysfunctional.

 

In over 100 years we've had 44 referenda and 8 have succeeded. The Democrats put forth a number of CIR bills over the years and this was one of their main focuses, and yet no one supported them and the entire party collapsed. Pauline Hanson achieved nothing, and her party collapsed. There have been many politicians, from all sides of politics, who over the years have supported CIR and introduced bills to parliament.

If we want CIR, all we have to do is vote for politicians who support it and vote out ones who don't. And yet we've done the opposite. Imo it's simply not going to happen until we get a new constitution when we become a republic, which hopefully won't be too far off.

 

None of these current batch of scummy politicians are ever going to publicly advocate for CIR, because that will signal the end of their stranglehold over the people. A CIR would represent these parasite politicians would no longer be able to keep dumbing down the people through fear, ignorance and misinformation.

How much credible media exposure did the Democrats get when they proposed the CIR, and I would bet every dollar in the bank, that no other scummy politicians from either other political party supported the Democrats CIR initiative.

You state that many other politicians have supported the adoption of a CIR and have introduced Bills into Parliament - can you produce a link? A couple of independent links would be appreciated, instead of one link from a couple of “rouge” politicians.

The Democrats did not collaps because they wanted to introduce a CIR; their party imploded because Meg Lees doubled crossed everyone and joined Howard to introduce the GST. A very similar story to what’s going to happen with the lying troll queen and the ALP. Meg Lees destroyed her parties reputation by lying & double-crossing them and the people, and the troll queen is doing the same -

No one is suggesting Pauline was a University graduate - she was just an ordinary Aussie who owned and operated her own business. But, she was on the right track in many ways, and as soon as she started to question the politicians authority and why their snouts were constantly in the tax payer funded “gravy train” both political parties ganged up and discredited her through false claims of racism, thanks to a biased media.

We don’t need a new constitution to force these parasites into changing their behaviour, we just need to will.

 

The problem is simple...the leaches make the law...how do you fight that?

Whoever you elect will vote themselves entitlements.

 

The people need to start "demanding" more referendums to voice their democratic rights.

 

No I can't imagine that either of the major parties would want to put CIR on their policy platform.

Well not enough anyway.

http://www.betterdemocracy.co.nz/fi...nitiated Referenda Proposals in Australia.pdf

If you want more than that, google yourself.

Irrelevant, if there was enough popular support for CIR the Democrats could have made it happen, but they did not get the popular support required. Anyway, the Democrats said they would work with whoever formed government to try and improve the legislation that was being proposed at the election, and that's exactly what they did. It's pretty pathetic that people view that as a "betrayal", but then, people are pretty pathetic

Being an idiot has nothing to do with going to university. She rorts the electoral system for cash herself, she's an idiot, her party is/was disgraceful and she has no place in federal politics.

No, we need a new constitution, could get away with a significant rewrite, but better off with a new one.

 

You can “guild the lily” as much as you like, but the facts will remain. Lees betrayed members of her own party and her constituents by supporting Howard on the GST, and history still reminds us today what the resource of that betrayal cost the Democrats.

Gillard/ALP/Greens, and the so-called Independents will soon learn the same valuable lesson in the 2013 election.

Again, the people never got the choice or opportunity to decided whether or not they wanted a CIR; its was left up to 150 scummy politicians and their corrupt bureaucrats.

Lets have a referendum and ask the people if they want a CIR.

We already have an idiot running the country, and an idiot who will be running the country after 2013, so is Pauline Hanson really any worse than those pair.

At least Pauline has the knowledge and experience of owning and operating her own business. What were Gillard’s previous credentials; being a law drone in a solicitors firm.

Gillard is simply out of intellectual depth; she is like a child playing with kerosene and matches.

Abbot is child; the brat who always puts on a tantrum for a lolly or toy when you take them shopping.

Surely these pair clowns and their obsequious fanatical followers are not the best this country can offer as leadership.