Existence: What is the point?

I would say the difference between repentence and such obsequious groveling as you have in mind is night and day, if that came anywhere near describing the magnitude of the contrast.

Sure, like there's a dime's worth of difference.

Yeah, evolutiondidit. Has a familiar ring, somehow.

 

Oh, so asking repentance isn't about prostrating yourself before your god? AS far as I am concerned prostration is merely a manifestation of obsequience.

perhaps this will assist you in determining the actual difference.
https://www.dictionary.com/

However, since I do not possess religious faith, I am ignorant of the emotional state of the faithful. I can't feel it. I can intellectual grasp the concept, but that is it.

Perhaps if i had said "unwarranted irritation for ignorance" I might have agreed with you.

 

That line of thought used to be coined "Eat drink and be Merry for tomorrow we die."
Speaking for myself. Since I was a small child, without a spiritual upbringing, I had a sense we were made for something far greater than this life. I really do believe that sense was put their by the One that created this drama we call life. Every individual is unique and has their own purpose. There has to be an explanation.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. I have faith and at the age of 25, I received Jesus. With my spiritual eyes, I have seen the evidence. That would be my hope for every human on the planet. There is a lot of substance there.

 

No. I'd say refusing to prostrate yourself before the god of this world is closer to it.

No need, trust me.

 

IMHO we already did. Within the reality that any real, tangible elements/organisms which Mankind cannot explain, is proof, that there is a God.

For example, Mankind's most-powerful telescope can show us stars, planets, galaxies, etc which Mankind will never have the ability to reach nor physically-experience. Yet, we get to see, that they are out there ---along with UFOs human's have witnessed. Somebody or some force, put all of that out there. Mankind has no explanation. Same thing with, the sun. And, the human body.

Except for, Ms Pam Reynolds

 

1. MOST humans, for thousands of years, have believed in the supernatural.. another dimension where beings unknown and unseen to mortal man live.
2. Atheism is a relative newcomer (or minority opinion), on the philosophical scene, but is growing rapidly.. mostly due to state sponsored propaganda and Indoctrination.. imho..
3. Because of the widespread indoctrination, real doubt AND disbelief in a spiritual realm, and more importantly, a Creator, is increasing.
4. For many people.. perhaps more than ever before in human history... the concept of a Creator God is very much questioned.
5. How can they believe in Him, Whom they do not believe exists?
6. Awareness of the Almighty precedes faith.. the kind of faith that brings salvation and redemption. Acknowledgment of God's existence is not saving faith. The devil believes, and trembles.
7. Atheism is the height of folly, imo.. it is extolling personal ignorance, and making it into a religion.
8. BUT.. it is growing rapidly from indoctrination, and cannot be dismissed as a refuge for crackpots and fools.

 

Evolution put a 'need for significance' in humans? How or why would it do that?

I don't buy that explanation. You are attributing to 'evolution!', godlike power and directives. There is really no naturalistic explanation for many of the foibles of humanity. Angst, desire for significance, abstract thought, imagination, fantasy, and a widespread feeling of a supernatural reality.

How could the god of evolution do that? Why would he/she/it choose to impart such strange thinking processes in humans, but not any other animals?

 

I disagree.


Remember now, 90% of Atheists are formerly God-fearing people. They just woke up one morning and got angry, at God, for not revealing himself today in the flesh. That's all.

IMHO atheism does not really exist. It's a facade. Yes, all atheists know there's a God and they are being facetious because their great intelligence hath veraciously revealed "the meaning of Life" then those atheists got appalled at God for expecting that colossal behavior of us, in order to finally and consciously meet him.

 

..with some, i believe this is true.. but i cannot see into the hearts and minds of everyone, so take their statements on face value..

 

what does this mean?

 

no, we have not and can not prove a god exists.

no, including her.

 

uh, Pam Reynolds defies all physics which atheists rely upon.

Remember now, she was dead for longer than 9mins/no blood going to her brain, therefore she was not dreaming.

That is something which no other NDE human, can attest to.

 

um, no. She did not defy physics. So as I said, including her.

 

She defied Physics, and no matter how much you dislike that fact you still cannot change it.

No matter how much you say it, that she didn't defy Physics, it won't change how she went more than 9mins without blood/without oxygen to her brain.

If there's no oxygen/no blood pumped to the brain, for 6-7mins, there is no ability for a human to dream. Which means, atheists cannot dismiss her recount of what she experienced after 9mins of no oxygen/no blood in her brain.

 

Refusing to prostrate oneself before God is a sign of repentance? Color me confused.

Okay, I will.

 

Those early "prototypes" who felt a greater need for significance would naturally tend to rise to the top in societies. They would tend to be go-getters and others would tend look to them for inspiration and wisdom. There would be a tendency to protect them in some ways. They would tend to be greater achievers and to live longer and therefore procreate more. Those who felt insignificant would tend to die at an earlier age, reducing their prospects for procreation. Therefore evolution would select for a need for significance.

And now, those who hold onto the god-myth will need to reject all this without supportive argument, because, after all, the god-myth must be defended!

 

Dude! Perhaps you missed it.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-is-the-point.309514/page-11#post-1069999044

 

No, refusing to prostrate yourself before the god of this world (aka satan) is a sign of repentance.

 

You and I, probably, cannot hold a rational discussion but I have to ask: Apparent to whom? What is this "higher self"?

"Incarnations"? Really? OK. Nevermind.

 

"god of this world" is satan? Seriously? You mean jesus wasn't of this world at all? Hmmmmmm mom an alien or something?

 

You betcha.

Hell if I know where that came from.

 

I do not see the logical progression. How would this 'need for significance' even arise? What is it? No other animal is gripped with angst and abstract perceptions of eternity, spirituality, and the soul. All that would do is make facing death more palatable and easy, so people would not fight the prospect. The religiously deluded would just die easier, rather than fight to survive.

Those who viewed the world in its hard reality would be better equipped for survival, not fantastic dreamers who looked beyond this life.

Atheists consider theists to be deluded weaklings, who need a crutch to cope with the hard realities of life. How could these weak fools better survive, calling on mythical gods for food and protection? Would not the more grounded atheists, with a grim acceptance of life's realities & emptiness, be more suited for survival in a material universe? ..Without the delusions and distractions of fantasies?

You seem to imply that weak minded religionists are better equipped for survival than clear minded materialists. How can that be?

 

I saw it.. and quoted it earlier:

..but that does not explain, 'why?'.

Here is the problem:

Theists invent God, so they say, to keep from facing an empty, meaningless universe. Yet some atheists do the same, pretending significance and meaning in their empty, meaningless lives.

They do share a common 'need': to feel significant.

Why would that 'need' be there, in a purely material universe?

 

There is no grand overarching meaning.

People are free to create their own meanings.

 

Agreed.
AKA:
Meaningless

If anything goes, then also nothing goes, and there is no a priori meaning to life. You just do whatever you feel like, and everyone else can do the same.