Expert implies wall is a no-deal brain-dead idea

A "wall" expert. Wow, we should all be impressed, she went to college to get a degree in building a wall. Probably minored in makeup and paper shredding.

Unfortunately, knowing how to build a wall is (1) hardly the question- she seems aggravated that Trump did not ask an engineer- and I smell hurt ego there.

Now if wall do not work.. WHY THE HELL WOULD SHE GO FOR A DEGREE IN ENGINEERING WALLS?

I've done a fair amount of expert testimony about construction failures myself- and usually, it was in lawsuits where a licensed expert designed or did a poor or dangerous job. When one has a degree but lacks the skills- you are only a paper expert, very much an armchair quarterback. I've sit and listened to the testimony of such people after project failures cost thousands, and they are never willing to relate it to their own work. As Charles Kettering told us long ago- Knowledge and understanding are not the same thing. You can know a great deal and understand nothing.

We are having this ludicrous, endless drivel where every excuse in the library is being dragged past the public, hoping to get some traction against an idea that is simple and effective, and does not require either a degree or high IQ to know it. We had the same barrage of wild desperation with the Kavanaugh hearings. This is more pure lib/dem desperation to prevent Trump from succeeding anywhere- For them, better to see the country go down the drain that allow Trump to succeed. Americans? I think not. Americans put their country ahead of their fragile egos and insecurities.

 

Oh I do so love these threads.

I'll briefly mention the obvious, which is a self proclaimed early 20's expert in anything. I'll need to see proof of her qualifications in regards to walls other than just her claims.

What is a structural engineer: Structural engineers design the frameworks of buildings, such as this stainless steel truss roof of a gymnasium, to make sure they can withstand stress and environmental conditions

So what is she an "expert" on: The structural integrity of a design, so that it will not collapse. That's it. That's the extent of her knowledge.

1. She doesn't know who Trump hired to build the wall. Engineers are, in fact, required by law and by the FAR. Typically this is TWO contracts. One to design it and inspect it, and one to build it (for obvious reasons *cough Florida bridge cough*.

http://farsite.hill.af.mil/reghtml/regs/far2afmcfars/fardfars/far/36.htm

2. That's the purpose of hiring engineers, which as I already said, are a requirement.

3. Now she thinks she's an ecology expert too. That's not a red flag at all.

4. She has no idea how reasonable or unreasonable the cost estimates are. Now she thinks she's an estimating expert too. Another red flag.

5. The prototypes aren't impossible to build because.....they were built.

Then she goes rambling on about how she's an immigrant, she's too busy to work on this project, how she can get over it with a ladder,

Just another butt hurt leftist with questionable (at best) qualifications.

 

Exactly. It's required to have an engineer design any project, and if it exceeds what an engineer is capable of, an architect.

Duh.

 

Yep just tie the packet to a hungry ferret and whistle it from the other side...........

 

Yeah that won't take long with a 50lb sack of drugs.

 

You guys all know that as soon as a Democrat wins the oval office, that wall will be 'deconstructed' right? Its just like Obamacare, the signature legacy of Obama was deconstructed by Trump. Even if it ever gets built, it will not stay built.

 

Well if a Democrat president wants to open the borders and start letting in crime and drugs again, I'm sure that will be great for their re-election.

 

Well now, so much for your brain dead wall expert. This was shot today with South Texas Border Patrol. They had 450 apprehensions in unfenced areas where 90% of all trafficking is coming through with less than 6% on areas with barriers.

Out of the 450 they found 133 from 41 different countries other than central America or Mexico. I guess your wall expert is looking pretty stupid about now. Bet you won't even watch the 3 minute video of Texas BP Officers telling you whats really going on.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10212811003539055

 

Name the court cases she has testified in an describe how she knows more than the Border Patrol.

 

Not enough people in this country have been sold that this wall will have much to do with preventing either. That is why the majority still do not support it being built. The democratic base detests this as much as the republican base detested Obamacare and the methods Trump and McConnell used here, are bound to make enemies for an entire generation Dems are not likely to nominate anyone for a very long time who is not a passionate and vocal opponent . If polling alters, there are a lot of ways to undermine it quietly, tenaciously and in a piecemeal way if needed. Not much of this wall will stand.

 

According to who? You?

Maybe you should read the Secure Fence Act of 2006 voted for by Schumer, Clinton, and Obama. They spent 50 billion on a 700 mile fence and other border security electronics. Were they lying then or are they lying now? Guess you didn't know about that.

 

Condor060 does not understand that Ms. Patrick IS a wall expert, and Condor060 is not a wall expert. Next.

kriman's assertion that contractors for the wall "provide proposals based on engineering designs" is not supported for the wall. Ms. Patrick points out that the wall is not designed by engineers.

The majority of Americans do not support the wall. That Condor060 disagrees means nothing.

 

I stopped reading after our "expert" said this gem of stupidity, below the dashed lines. Yeah, by golly that "wall" will really impede the floodwaters...lol
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1) It will mess with our ability to drain land in flash flooding. Anything impeding the ability of water to get where it needs to go (doesn’t matter if there are holes in the wall or whatever) is going to dramatically increase the risk of flooding.

 

The expert's opinion counts, while the uneducated mass of Trumper opinions don't.

 

JakeStarky thinks a professional concrete mixer is an expert on Border Security and thinks actual Border Patrol agents are clueless on the effectiveness of walls on the border. He has no facts to support anything he says and in desperation pulls out somebody who used to build walls as his expert whom he thinks has more knowledge in securing our border that DHS and Border Patrol which makes his opinion clueless as usual.

Most likely the reason why his OPs get very little attention

 

Seems JakeStarky can't even name any court cases his so called expert has testified in or what makes her an expert in border security making JakeStarkey claim just another false goose chase to push yet another worthless Liberal rant as per usual.

 

Condoor060 thinks she knows more than a court approved wall expert. And she tells me my OPs get little attention as she posts over and over and over in them.

 

Would there be any 'flash flooding' in that latitude? I've always thought of it as a place which has hardly any rainfall, and what rainfall there is would be instantly dried up by a combination of the heat of the sun and soaking into the parched ground? To counter all the negativity, does she have any alternative suggestion? Or is it merely misplaced compassion for the migrants; I mean she is a female?

 

That’s not the point. The contractor may have little actual knowledge of how a product functions but he does have working experience with it. Ideally, in many cases, the contractor should have engineering experience too. Bottom line, these fences are not rocket science and the steel used is pretty standard fare. To deviate much from it and contractor would have to know the product just couldn’t compete price wise. Inthe final analysis, it takes some one with engineering experience in the product to comment reliably on the performance of any product. It may or may not be a contractor. If anyone doubts the authenticity of this woman ? Just check other notable research institutions and see it they agree....

Every fence is breechable Just like a locked house, walls and fences just keep the honest people out, especially in this day and age when technology to defeat a fence far surpasses what anyone can afford to build for a barrier. No one can afford to build anything that can’t be cut with a modern quick saw. Even an engineer would know that. The only way to defeat technology, is with more advanced technology.

 

And, they know that walls and fences have their uses..and it’s most always near high population areas. The farther you go into the wilderness, the less useful they are. When you try to build them there, you bring infrastructure with you in the form of roads and access. Now, you just allow anyone who wants to breach a fence to drive over from a hardware store and then give him access time to breach any wall or fence. Border patrol knows when and where but they really aren’t experts on engineering.
They of course get an input. But some one has to say something cost too much, or it’s environmentally unsound, or it’s undoable because of eminent domain limitations or....it’s just not cost effective. That’s where better technology comes in. Border patrol can tell you what doesn’t work, they may not be able to tell you what works better. Decisions are a consensus of ALL the experts, that includes lawyers, engineers and border patrol too.

 

Yup...and for good reason.
The border is literally littered with partial incomplete fences that people just walk around because of still unsettled eminent domain disputes. The Bush Fence act did no more then what is happening here. It won’t get built. The technology to defeat fences and the impact on privacy and the environment just requires a different approach. Science seems to know that while , conservatives still live in the 1800s. Republicans have long been the party of “dah.” as long as Faux News drives their bus.

 

Sure. The wall has no path to 270.

Yes, I know the left hates the US and wants to "fundamentally" change it to a 3rd world shithole.

 

Wouldn't have to ......... Our Government tells us most Drugs are smuggled thru entry points.

That's why most Experts recommend beefing up technology with sensors to stop the Flow of Drugs into the USA

 

Yeah, because they know how many drugs enter the country in places they're not at.

What ya gonna mount sensors to, shrubbery?

Let's test the effectiveness of physical barriers.

Let's take all the doors off the businesses in your town and replace them with "sensors".

Let's see in which scenario you have more robberies.

 

The point is that when you want something built, you generally do not go to an engineer to design it. You go to an organization who specializes in that field and who has the personnel with the right expertise.