Exploding Knife Violence on the streets of London

The CSEW is used for time series analysis. It doesn't show an upward trend.

If you think the murder rate is high in the UK than you really do need to have a rethink!

Repeating nonsense isn't going to help you. Self defence ranges from physical violence to use of firearms. This is rather obvious, so no excuse for repeatedly getting it wrong.

I've already given the CPS definition of self-defence. That does include using knives.

Your argument, if I was being generous, is "self-defence is using guns". As I said, the evidence shows increasing rates of victimisation with gun prevalence. The evidence really isn't your friend so I appreciate your need to make stuff up.

 

And yet every other metric of crime in the UK shows a sharp upward trend in violent crime. Strange that.

The murder rate isn't going to get better. You've allowed your country to be infested with violent 3rd world people from violent 3rd world cultures. That's not going to improve.

Yes. Self defense ranges from physical violence to firearms, except in the UK where it ranges from rape whistle to maybe unarmed physical violence.

Can you buy a knife for self defense purposes in the UK? How about a lovely cricket bat? Can you legally buy a cricket bat for self defense purposes in the UK?

 

I'd much rather take my chances with a guy with a knife than a gun, thank you.

 

Again, the CSEW is used for time series analysis: "Our assessment of the main data sources is that levels of crime have continued to fall consistent with the general trend since the mid-1990s."

Can't you stop with the bigotry? Back to reality. Homicide has increased (709 homicides in the year ending March 2017). However, much of that increase reflected the Hillsborough tragedy in 1989 being rightfully reclassified as manslaughter.

Again with the nonsense. UK self defence ranges from physical violence to use of firearms. Just fact.

You can buy what you want. The CPS definition of self defence does not refer to shopping habits.

 

Common mistake.

Guns are typically deployed at stand off range, which gives you some limited opportunity to take cover or evade.

When someone attacks you with a knife, you don't know until the blade is already inside you.

They're also silent, which is why they're preferred by serial killers and such.

 

Look, you can say that crime is going down all you want in your little reality avoidance exercise. The problem for you is all the dead bodies.

Wrong. You are not allowed to purchase a firearm for self defense purposes, or any other item for purposes of self defense other than a rape whistle.

 

That's fine. when we fight, you take your choice of knives, I'll take my choice of guns.

 

I see you still don't understand how a knife attack happens.

 

Sure I do. You take the knife and I'll take the gun. Deal?

 

Referring to the CSEW is just good practice.

I dont buy potential weapons for self defence purposes, nor am I asked on my intentions.

The problem for you is that your "self defence must involve guns" doesn't stack up. While Britain does include cssesnof self defence using firearms, the vast majority of cases are firearm free. It's a very obvious point mind you.

 

Well by all means read your polls if they make you feel better about the huge increases in violent crime.

All those murders in London aren't really happening, crime is going down. Ommmmmm....Ommmmm...

I never claimed a gun was required to try and employ self defense. My claim is that it is for "effective" self defense. A firearm is the best equalizer there is if you need to defend your own life.

 

Can we start inside of 15 feet? I'd say 20 but I'm not as young as I once was.

 

Again with your habit to supply misinformation. You really need to be more honest in your approach. You only cheapen your effort.

That crime is falling isn't in dispute. Neither is it disputed that localised issues reflect inappropriate cuts in police expenditure (sparked off by right wing stupidity no less)

That Britain uses effective self defence, ranging from physical violence to use of firearms, is factual. That firearms are necessarily needed for self defence is not credible.

As I said, you haven't even managed an argument.

 

I don't have to say anything, your response is proof enough of my point.

So lets recap your comment: Crime in the UK is going down, you can use firearms for self defense in the UK, and your odds of successfully defending yourself (regardless of the situation) is not impacted by having a firearm.

Good job.

 

Phew, that's lucky!

You forgot to mention that the probability of victimisation increases with gun prevalence.

Cheers, but typing facts is never difficult.

 

No, there is no indication in any study that allowing law abiding citizens to carry guns does anything of the sort.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.html

You keep on pretending though!

 

Get back to me when you can find a credible study that concludes 'more guns=less crime'. Note the important word: credible.

 

Maybe we could take a poll.

 

That you dodge with repetition of your misinformation is a little predictable. Let's try again: Refer to a credible study that concludes 'more guns=less crime'?

 

I already linked you to a bunch of studies that found no association between murder and guns, or murder and concealed carry.

I can't wait for your "moar knives = moar crime" study though.

 

Second dodge! Its a simple request. Refer to a credible study that concludes 'more guns=less crime'?

 

Just because the studies Vman linked for you don't agree with your preconceived notions doesn't mean they aren't "credible".

 

He hasn't referred to a study that concludes 'more guns=less crime. Keep up!

 

Spare me the self-righteousness. Your denial of fact is hereby confirmed.

 

Its my fault that he hasn't referred to a study that concludes 'more guns=less crime'? Yep, that'll work