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Censorship is fascism, period. There is no excuse for it. If you disagree with a group you protest them peacefully or you expose them to the public. That's how it works in a free country, which England is not.

It's the people behind these laws that should be behind bars.

 

....that would be a yes then? You would agree with the right to incitement of hatred and the consequences of it?

 

The problem is that "hatred" is something rather blurry.

That's the point of every freedom limitation, it's always in the name of the greater good. That's the same in every country where freedom of speech doesn't exist :
You can says whatever you want but you don't criticize [christianity/Islam, it depend of the concerned country] because you may cause civil strife.
You can says whatever you want but you can't criticize the government to harshly.
You can says everything you want in China, but don't criticize the government, you can says whatever you want in Saudi Arabia, but don't criticize religion, you can says everything you want in Russia, but don't criticize the government too much or orthodox christianity.

"Hate speech" is just a polite name for blasphemy against the LGBT/progressive agenda.

I'm for the severe punishment of everyone calling to violence toward some people for two reasons 1) They're dangerous 2) They're cowards.

But critics even radical of an ideology/religion should remain free.

@AltLightPride I really love your signature !

 

The people behind it is the European Union

 

Yeah but that isn't quite the issue its the intent and is outcome based.

really....is it? I could call you a froggy prick...you could call me a sweaty bastard...is that incitement to racial hatred....Scotland Versus France..... see you in Paris on the 23rd...

 

You can call me whatever you want, I don't care, I don't promiss however that I won't block you.

 

Correct, hatred and expressing hatred shouldn't be a crime. Censoring "hatred" only makes people more hateful. It just adds fuel to the fire until it explodes in your face.

It's the worst answer to hate you could think of.

 

you get my point though?
I wasn't being rude by the way...just illustrating a point

 

Do you think far left extremism leads to anything? So far it has been the worst for the people and led to countless death. A democracy can stand differing points of view. It appears you wish to change it to an authoritarian state that only allows one point of view.

 

Hate? That isn't the issue its acts intended or likely to stir up racial (for example) hatred with the use of words or behaviour etc. by a person who uses abusive or insulting words or behaviour which is threatening, abusive or insulting and where the intention is to stir up racial hatred, or having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up. You can hate as much as you like just don't expect to get way with the consequences of your hate I guess is the issue... which is fine by me.

 

Does it? I suppose there are those with hateful natures who may indeed feel threatened by not having an outlet for their hatred but does that give them the right to incite violence or public disorder?
I mean here in the UK where we have so many people all crammed together in cities with all sorts of races and religions I can imagine the police are dealing with a powder keg, and personally speaking if keeping the lid on some rabid mongers mouth means less violence on the street...well.... I'm not too uncomfortable with the laws we have at the moment.

 

Yes and no. By the way, a society without insults would be better, but I don't think it should outlawed for people to criticize or be opposed to some things.
I don't even think that hating something should be forbidden. Only call to violence. That's where I draw the line.

I think that people should remain free of criticize gayness, Islam, christianity or whatever they want to criticize, and those "anti-hate" laws seems to be a danger to that.

I don't like that much the expression "freedom of speech", words have their power, their weight. I would prefer "freedom of opinion" or "freedom of criticize".

 

And I think that is the main point and would agree with you absolutely!

Do you mean EU Article 10 and the interpretations of the ECHR is the issue?