F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    But Comey didn't tell Trump this did he? According to Gulliani, Comey refused to say that he wasn't investigating Trump and said that this was one of the reasons that Trump fired him.
     
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    You said that he "specifically asked if he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation." Now you're saying that he just "asked Trump why he fired Comey." So which is it?

    What is with all of the strike through text that followed?
     
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    Reptile Goddess Clinton has nothing to do with Trump's performance as president.

    All of the following can be proven:

    1. He is a liar.
    2. He is a cheater.
    3. He is a crook.
    4. He is a bigot.
    5. He is a bullshit artist.
    6. He is a self dealer.
    7. He is a narcissist.
    8. He is a bully.
    9. He disrespects the Office he holds.

    Also, he had sold hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate to various shady Russians for CASH over the years. He got hundreds of millions of dollars in laundered Russian money from Deutsche Bank loans when he was toxic to every other bank. He was pursuing a deal in Moscow WHILE he was campaigning for president and despite direct warnings of russian interference and his national security obligation to report contacts, his campaign pursued contacts with Russians and SHARED its polling data (supplied by cambridge analytics) with Russians.

    He was lying is arse off during the campaign and that gave the Russians "leverage" over him, and the FBI knew it.

    The mueller investigation remains active. We'll just have to stay tuned to see if he is either the biggest unethical "useful idiot" in international intelligence operations at best, or a treasonous criminal at worst.
     
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    9 points of irrelevant propaganda/wildly biased opinion in support of a witch hunt.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

    It was HER time, and the Hillbots - from the lowest info. voter to the sleaziest oligarchic Jabba - want revenge.
     
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    Although I understand where is coming from, the facts don't jive with his opinion in my view.
     
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    It does not matter how the question was worded, hotshot. It's the answer that is relevant.
    I don't remember a strike, but the verbiage speaks for itself. If you mean the lines
    thru the text, they were not in the text when I copied it but appear in the paste.
     
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    The best thing for all concerned is if Trump continues to self-destruct.

    That I have no problem with.

    I relish it in fact.

    But the way things are going, Trump and Mueller are going to sharing a bicycle built for two in Hell someday.
     
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    No, Trump will have his own bike because Mueller won't be there.
     
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    If you can't notice the differences, I'm embarrassed for you.

    Nevertheless, read this. And try to understand it, as well:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-law-and-the-steele-dossier-likely-didnt/

    “Paying a foreign national fair market value for opposition research is generally not illegal,” Noble wrote. “It is considered a commercial transaction, which is not a contribution.” Clinton’s campaign had paid Fusion GPS directly; it’s a campaign expenditure, not a campaign contribution. Since it’s not a contribution, the FEC allows it.

    Steele was hired by Fusion GPS to see what links might exist between Trump and Russian actors. Those connections, built during his service for the British government, were why he was valuable to Fusion GPS. It’s akin to a campaign looking to investigate an opponent’s history of real estate deals in Mexico: Hiring a Mexican firm that’s familiar with the available records would be perfectly legal, if the firm were paid with legally raised campaign contributions.

    “I think there is something fundamentally different about the interference when it comes from a foreign government, as opposed to a foreign national individual or even business,” Noble added. “The campaign finance law doesn’t explicitly make that distinction, but it does implicitly show up in some FEC decisions regarding individuals. For example, a foreign national individual can undertake volunteer activity for a campaign, while a government can’t.”

    Bauer noted that, since foreign nationals aren’t entitled to the same constitutional protections as Americans, it was rare for the campaign prohibitions to be tested. But the question of whether even a small contribution to a campaign could be made by a foreign national was at the center of Bluman v. Federal Election Commission, upheld by the Supreme Court in 2012. In that case, a D.C. Circuit Court panel determined that such contributions could not be allowed because “it is fundamental to the definition of our national political community that foreign citizens do not have a constitutional right to participate in, and thus may be excluded from, activities of democratic self-government.”

    The majority opinion in that case was written by Brett Kavanaugh.
     
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    Exactly.

    If I asked Bonespurs how he wanted his eggs prepared, and he blurted out that he fired Comey "because of the Russia thing", why in the Hell would it matter what the question was?
     
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    So if the Trump campaign had hired a company like Fusion GPS, and the company made contact with the Russians instead, then it would have all been perfectly okay?
     
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    What do you mean by "the Russians"? Do you mean knowingly discussing conspiring the Russian government to steal DNC emails, inter alia, or do you mean using the contacts you've developed in Russia to uncover intelligence?

    You seem to want to paint with a mop, my poor at analogies chum.
     
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    Of course you'll dismiss the facts. You know those nasty things based on evidence, not opinion?
     
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    I dismiss opinion. Naw.
     
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    Once again Trump crosses Putin, this time over Venezuela, he's not his lackey.
     
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    in addition to facts you mean?
     
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    Wow, he’s obviously Putin’s “worst nightmare”, and stuff.
     
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    Possibly?
     
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    No, I mean the Trump Tower Russians, who are the only Russians that we know about.

    Can you rephrase?
     
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    Again, you are assuming that "Russia thing" = "I fired Comey because of the Russian investigation." :roflol:
     
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    And you are assuming that it doesn't. What, in your estimation, does it equal? Remember that Comey and Trump were discussing the Russian investigation and that Trump asked Comey if he was under investigation, yes?
     
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    Why are you talking bad about Obama like that?
     
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    It is MOST LIKELY that in SOME WAY, the Russia investigation formed PART of his decision in firing Comey. And there is NO EVIDENCE that it was because Trump was afraid that Comey would investigate him and find something illegal. Straight after Trump mentions the "russia thing" and talks about how it is a "Hoax by democrats", Holt asks, "are you angry with Mr. Comey BECAUSE of his Russia investigation." Trump responds by saying, "I just want somebody that's COMPETENT!" (see below video from 1:30) Trump hates the fact that the investigation exists, but if its going to happen, he wants somebody COMPETENT in charge of it so that it can be over as quickly as possible! Having such as investigation hurts diplomatic relations between the US and Russia and this is what Trump was worried about.

    Rudi Gulliani said that this was the reason that Trump fired Comey, not Trump himself. Even if it WAS the reason that Trump fired Comey, there's no problem here.

     
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    Well, since no American "knowingly conspired with the Russian government to steal DNC emails" I'm assuming that the only conspiracy with a foreign national you are referring to is paying them for phony made-up propaganda that you can then turn over to your left wing allies in the FBI disguised as "intelligence" to justify launching a criminal investigation into your political enemies. Am I right?
     
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    Why is it that you refuse to acknowledge the whole picture here? Trump made many comments over the firing of Comey. There was ample reason to fire him that had nothing to do with Russia and Trump laid all those out. I do think Trump was irritated by the fact that he knew the Russian investigation was a left wing hoax, that Comey knew as much and told Trump he wasn't under investigation but that Comey refused to publicly come out and say so like he did multiple times to help Hillary Clinton. That bothered him. He also said there was "no good time" to fire Comey and he told Lester Holt he thought it might "extend" the Russia investigation but he had to do it "for the American people". You also have the major problem of Comey admitting in his memos that Trump told him that if anyone in his campaign was doing anything nefarious with regards to Russia he wanted Comey to find out.

    Look, if you want to be taken seriously on this issue you need to acknowledge all the damaging stuff to your narrative. Trump has been angry over the phony Russia investigation and he was angry that Comey told him personally he wasn't under investigation but Comey refused to publicly say it. But there is zero evidence that Trump fired Comey to stop the Russia investigation....or even inhibit it. In fact, the only comment Trump has made regarding the firings impact ON the investigation is Trump saying it might "extend it". Only a moron would think firing the FBI director would stop a major FBI counterintelligence investigation. You are painting yourself as one. Don't suffer from TDS. It isn't pretty.
     
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