"Fake News"

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How do you feel about "Fake News"?

  1. It is non existent beyone the National Enquirer

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  2. Most MSM is fake

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  3. Anything that lokks bad for Trump is "Fake".

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    I've watched this process of propaganda-spinning by the Left for decades! The Right began doing it, too, mostly in retaliation and in self-defense. The 'art' of manipulating the reporting of important news events began seriously in the 1990's and has only gotten far, FAR worse ever since. A 'perfect storm' has developed at the same time -- because all of this has happened during the great "Dumbing Down" which has become a permanent part of American public education.

    The net-net of it? Today, we've got two generations of Americans who have little accurate, critical understanding of the important developments in their lives being fed propaganda and silly, trivial bullshit by the gigantic mass-media cartels. Worse, they don't even care... they just want to amuse themselves and be given 'free stuff' by schemers and 'visionaries' who preach this kind of crap --

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  2. Josephwalker

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    The fake news in that story was that FOX did that
     
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    If it weren't for Fox News and Breitbart Texas (https://www.breitbart.com/author/breitbart-texas-2/)...President Obama would have gotten way with that our borders were secured and California would have 50 million people living in their totalitarian state.
     
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    Most news is properly reported by the MSM. Political reporting is often (usually) colored with bias. It is worth ignoring. Fake? Maybe, maybe not. Colored with bias is a better description, I think.
     
  5. Mr_Truth

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    You missed my point - the left was intolerant for its own team when Johnson fabricated the Gulf of Tonkin. It was the right who defended him. Perhaps it's because you are not a Yank that causes you to miss this important point.
     
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    As you righties have pointed out enough times, Obama sent back more Mexicans than anyone else. It was your hero Bush who offered blanket amnesty just like Reagan. And both are Republican.
     
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    Almost all German capitalists were very opposed to Hitler and national socialism for obvious reasons.
    The Nazis were primarily funded by a very effective tithe on the membership.
     
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    It pains me, just a bit, to admit that you are right about the Reagan and Bush amnesties.
     
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    German capitalists financed Hitler's war machinery with much help from Wall Street. See Sutton's books.
     
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    Republican politicians and voters have tended to be pro-war since WW II.
    Thankfully RP voters have gotten past that. Ordinary Americans are now very anti-war.
     
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    Yes, and the moon landing was faked, Obama was born in Kenya, Hillary runs a child porn ring from a pizza parlor, and trump is a true patriot.

    Please try to keep up.
     
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    A few industrialists, like Thyssen, supported the Nazis, but their support was irrelevant until after the 1933 elections and Hitler became Chancellor.

    "Hitler was not as yet a major beneficiary of German industry. 'After weighing all the facts' writes H.A. Turner, 'we must recognize that the financial subsidies from industry were overwhelmingly directed *against* the Nazis.'" And Toland adds, "The bulk of the funds in the party treasury came from membership dues." Toland, “Adolf Hitler,” Anchor Books Doubleday NY 1992.p. 277. (emph. Turner's)
     
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    In fact, the MSM just makes up much of their Fake News.

    “How did CNN end up aggressively hyping such a spectacularly false story? They refuse to say. Many hours after their story got exposed as false, the journalist who originally presented it, Congressional reporter Manu Raju, finally posted a tweet noting the correction. CNN’s PR Department then claimed that “multiple sources” had provided CNN with the false date. And Raju went on CNN, in muted tones, to note the correction, explicitly claiming that “two sources” had each given him the false date on the email, while also making clear that CNN did not ever even see the email, but only had sources describe its purported contents:


    All of this prompts the glaring, obvious, and critical question – one which CNN refuses to address: how did “multiple sources” all misread the date on this document, in exactly the same way, and toward the same end, and then feed this false information to CNN?”
    THE INTERCEPT, The U.S. Media Yesterday Suffered its Most Humiliating Debacle in Ages: Now Refuses All Transparency Over What Happened, Glenn Greenwald, December 9 2017.
    https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09...-refuses-all-transparency-over-what-happened/
     
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    I disagree totally with your premise. Today there is access to unlimited information to those who would like to access it. Look at the rhetoric that got us into WW I. The Newspapers printed stories that suggested beating up anyone who was opposed to the war and turn them into the police. They printed outright lies for months leading up to the war. Any opposing views printed by opposing publications were quickly shut down and people who printed them were thrown in jail for sedition, damn the First Ammendment.

    Thanks to varying publications from both sides and the middle that have arisen since then and now the internet, it would be impossible for anything like that to happen again. Are you suggesting that the generations who have had access to this unlimited recourse of information are less informed than those who were duped into debaucles like WW I back in the good old days? I disagree. I remember well the Red Scare at the beginning of the Cold War. Anyone who defended the US Constitution during the crazed McCarthyites realm and for years beyond that was painted as a pinko Commie by the press. The lawyer who defended a Russian spy who was captured in the late ‘50s had his house firebombed. Today different news organizations slant the news in one direction or another but there are other sources are available to keep their feet to the fire regarding accuracy.
     
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    Right wingers rarely have that honesty though, in truth, they have on occasion admitted I was correct all along. Thank you for doing the same.


    Funny thing is, Democrats offered a meaningful solution by increasing the minimum wage. A higher minimum wage means employers cannot hire foreigners which means there would be no incentive for them to enter our shores.

    But the Republicans objected to higher minimum wages as they are for profit maximization.

    Thus, contrary to popular mythology, it was Republicans who opened the borders to foreigners, refused to increase minimum wage laws, then they kept the government from prosecuting those who hired illegals, and, finally, offered blanket amnesty to illegals!

    And to make matters worse, they keep blaming Democrats for the problems they create!
     
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    Your supposed Democrat "meaningful solution" is NONSENSE, Mr. "Truth". You claim raising the minimum wage would prohibit employers from hiring foreigners?! What kind of delusional world do you live in? Don't you understand that ever since World War II American employers have been hiring countless numbers of alien workers and paying them "off-the-books" -- ILLEGALLY! It makes no difference if minimum wage is five dollars, fifteen dollars, or fifteen-hundred dollars an hour -- if illegals will work for 'under-the-table' money paid to them in a way in which the government is blind to it, what good does THAT do...?!

    And, even if we consider only LEGAL aliens, who come in with 'green cards', work visas, etc., how would an increase in minimum wage make it unlikely that they would be employed? Typically, foreign workers today are smarter, better educated, more experienced, more energetic and ambitious, and are overall-better workers than many of their domestic American labor competitors. So, where is the logic you base your viewpoint on? It sure as hell doesn't appear to be "truth", Mr. "Truth".... :confusion:

    Hint: who do you want putting a new roof and gutters on your house? A Mexican worker who has successfully done this kind of work consistently for years, or, some phone-thumbing Millennial who spends half his time screwing around when he should be working? Oh, and, when you compare the QUALITY of the work done by each, it's not even close! :roflol:
     
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    LOL!

    Then enforce the laws which criminalize the hiring of illegals and the problem is solved. See?
     
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    I have always said that we need much, much tougher enforcement of laws that prohibit hiring illegals -- nothing new about that. That's not the point.

    But, why are you steering the discussion away from your senseless pronouncement that the way we can eliminate the problem is by increasing the minimum wage?! Nothing you said regarding that made any sense at all! Even worse, you probaby don't even realize it....

    Ah, the liberal mind.... It's like outer space, it just goes on and on... with so little actually in it.
     
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    Obama's administration counted those caught at the border who voluntary returned to Mexico as being deported.

    Inlt a federal immigration judge can deport someone.

    Very little interior enforcement was conducted by ICE during the Obama administration.


    High deportation figures are misleadinghttps:
    //www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html


    Lies, damned lies, and Obama’s deportation statistics
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eportation-statistics/?utm_term=.c65bf856dbd1
     
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    I got your point. Did you get mine?

    Gulf of Tonkin? While a good example, you couldn't find something a bit more recent or relevant? There were many on the other team that will point out Bush 43's Iraq adventures.
     

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