Far-right AfD becomes almost strongest party in eastern german states

AfD=NSDAP

 

Dear god, will you stop with this nonsense?

You guys hvae been doing this for a decade and all you are doing is pushing people further and further Right. They are not Nazi's no matter how much you want to try and paint them as Taiamat/Set/Satan or whatever else the F you want to call them.

This is the Identity Politics I am talking about at it's worst.

I dont like them, I can't debate them, so instead I will call them Nazi's.

Grow up, the Left wing is getting more and more desperate and they are losing more and more support. If you guys don't actually become a real party again intead of just a group that throws identity attacks, you will become nothing very quickly

 

Clearly you completely misunderstood my post as I am saying the opposite of what you claim ?! My post clearly stated that I was not talking about "Muslims in general" and I defined what an Islamist was.

Somehow you managed to get from my post that I was hammering on the right. The post is hammering on the far left !

My post gives valid justification for keeping certain undesirables from becomming citizens. Rational that libs can not refute.

 

Wer wir sind

»Ein Fisch ist kein Fahrrad und
ein Mann ist keine Frau.«

Wir sind ein spendenbasierter Verein, der die Institutionen Ehe und Familie in Deutschland und auf europäischer Ebene gegen offene und versteckte Angriffe schützt und in allen gesellschaftlichen Bereichen fördert und stärkt.

Great source you've dug up there They sound as goofy and extreme as right-wingers can be.

 

I see you're citing some rather old news, bringing that up, Sobo.

http://www.news.de/panorama/8556062...tzende-aufklaerung-fuer-kindergartenkinder/1/

18.06.2015, 15.50 Uhr

Die Organisation Pro Familia hat in Nordrhein-Westfalen ein eher fragwürdiges Aufklärungsbuch veröffentlicht. Das jedoch bereits in den 90ern. Seit dem Missbrauchsskandal in einem Mainzer Kindergarten kursiert ein Artikel von "familien-schutz.de" im Internet. In diesem empören sich die Autoren über das Aufklärungsbuch "Lieben, kuscheln, schmusen", welches kleinen Kinder extrem schamverletzende Übungen empfiehlt. Eltern laufen mittlerweile Sturm gegen das Buch. Doch ist die harsche Kritik berechtigt.

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Aufklärungsbuch aus den 90ern
Die Empfehlungen aus dem Buch wiegen schwer. Möchten Eltern ihren Kinder solche Übungen wirklich antun? Doch nun genügt ein Blick auf die Fakten. Das Buch "Lieben, Kuscheln, Schmusen" erschien in den frühen 90ern. Die letzte Ausgabe ist von 1996. Das ist jedoch 20 Jahre her und noch immer muss sich Pro Familia heftiger Kritik aussetzen. Eltern sollten sich keine Sorgen machen. Das Buch gilt unter Pädagogen höchstens als Begleitbuch, um die kindliche Sexualität zu verstehen.

I would be quite surprised if anyone was following those recommendations. :/

 

Then I sincerely apologize, will delete the reponse if you feel so is needed.

It felt to me that you were stating that what is happening is only because of of "Xenophobia" when t runs much MUCH deeper. THe only people who even talk about xenophobia are the Left who try to rely on identity politics.

The move to the Right across the world is for a lot of things, sure, immigration is part of it, but people want to be proud to be themsleves again. Not to be held to some impossible to meet ideal that only CNN and MSNBC say is important.

Being different is A GOOD THING.

All of us being the same is a horrible thing, I now see it as Neo-Maxism as they are using divide and conquor to try to split people apart when in reality, we are not that far apart to begin with.

Once again, you have my apologies, but in closing, I will just say that those who think the global move to the right iis only because of racism or whatever ism or whatever group for the moment is the problem (anyone else find it hilarious that they are alwyaas called Nazi's?)

 

Fair enough, then I retract my statement and am on board with what you are saying.

My frustration lies in the fact that the Left will not admit their mistake, they will not get off the same tactic and verbal experiement that they feel is what the world wants.

It is not, even the large cities that DO support them only do so because they listen to their news. As someone who lives in LA, I can say, anyone who agreews with them truly has no idea what they are talking about. They just regurgitate the talking points they hear from Matthews and Maddow and listen to reports that are actually taken seriously yet ridiculously retarded.

MSNBC made a long sement on "Do you think that Trump is competent to lead bsed on his Tweets" That is THE DUMBEST THING I have ever heard. Stick to poltics, state what you want to do and debate your case. Calling people names is horrible and for some reason the Left is able to do it but the Rigth is calld Nazi's when they do.

You call a woman fat, that she should get into shape and be healthy? You are an anti-woman Nazi woman hater and shouyld be shot.

You call Trump insane, orange haired intellectually retarded individual, and of course that is "ok"

They talk about how Trump "bullies" people simply because he states FACTS that people coming across the border are doing horrible things, that the black community sees more violence every day than any mass shooting does at any one time. Then the Left calls him the most vile and horrible things you have ever heard and no one is allowed to chime in or they are a "Nazi".

Meanwhile, the things they say against Trump are absolutely horrible.

This is destroying the Left and the Democratic Party. The way I see it if this course continues, they have two options, the FAR FAR left will rise up and try a coupe of violence against Trump or they will try to run a celebrity to win based on nothing other than a popularity contest.

They have already proven they cannot win based on actual ideas witha ll this Russian Collusion crap, no one now believes it, yet they keep pushing it.

The Democratic Party is so screwed, I honestly don't know what they are going to do and it scares me that all we re going to have lfet is a Right Wing party to rule us all.

Hopefully, the new age Democrts will be normal people whoh dont divide the country in order to create anger and get votes. The old gaurd of Democrats is absolutely horrible for this country

FACT

 

In Berlin they do

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/art...roschuere-zu-sexueller-Vielfalt-in-Kitas.html

 

No worries and no need to delete .. I am not that sensitive and have made the same mistake myself.

You hit the nail on the head with "divide and conquor" . This is exactly what is going on and demonization of the other side through some label is often what is done.
There is no discussion of the actual issue... just label someone "Nazi, Liberal, Fundamentalist, and so on" and the fallacy fest is on.

I used the term "xenophobia" ... fear of the other, but then went on to describe exactly what was meant and how I was using that term and explained how this emotion can be a good thing.

The idea that the vast majority of people are not somewhat xenophobic (and I would claim all people) is abject nonsense. The issue then is how to channel that emotion properly.

Rather than channel it towards "Muslims" or "Islam" which is bad as claiming that all Muslims or those believing in Islam are bad is a fallacious generalization. (although on a personal basis I find that most of these people.... and many religious people in general .. have lost some of their ability for rational thought)

Regardless - there are smart Muslims, Christians. It is wrong to lump them all into the basket of "terrorists" or even "supporter of terrorists".

What I am against is something specific and the label Islam or Muslim does not fit.

The label that fits ( and divide and conquor is why the MSM avoids this clarification like the plague) is the label "Islamist".

Everyone in this nation should know the difference between an Islamist and "Islam or Muslim". That way they could shoot their arrows straight. That way we could all come together an channel our energy properly.

It not complicated. An Islamist is someone who, by definition, HATES individual rights and freedoms/liberty. They want to force their specific religious beliefs on others through physical violence (law) - even other Muslims.

Many Islamist's do not realize that by definition, belief in Sharia-Theocracy is belief in forcing their belief on others through physical violence. I was in a conversation once on this site with a Muslim who was trying to defend Sharia while at the same time claiming "There is no compulsion in Islam".

The two completely contradict each other and believe it or not the person in question had in the end admit that the two were in contradiction.

This is how we attack this problem - by identifying specifically what he dangerous ideology is .. and explain why it is wrong.

The MSM will not do this. There are even some judges in this country (and other nations such as Britain and Canada) that have entertained the idea of some kind of separate Sharia court system.

This is fricken bonkers. If our founding principle (as is that of western democracy in general) is respect for individual liberty ... how on Gods green earth can we accept Sharia which - by definition hates individual liberty and wants to use physical violence (law) to force others in society to comply ?

If one wants to abide by Sharia on a personal basis ... have at it .. If one does not want to drink alcohol ... good for you .. don't drink BUT there is a big difference between having a personal belief and forcing that personal belief on others.

I accept that one can have a personal religious belief... what I can not accept is when this person wants to force there personal religious beliefs (or other personal beliefs for that matter) on me through physical violence (Law).

This is the direct opposite to respect for individual liberty. The problem is that through 12 years of school we manage not to teach kids about the most basic principle on which this nation was founded... this is not by accident.

The reason the MSM will not generally use the term Islamist, and will not distinguish between an Islamist and Muslims in general (many who are not Islamist's btw) is because they do not want to educate the raging masses. Keeping them ignorant serves the purpose of divide and conquor.

 

Bullshit.

There is no thing called "Islamism". There is just Islam. Islam is the problem. What ISIS does is same what you can read in Quran.

 

I am a slightly right (but more in the middle) fiscal Republican. By this I mean that I believe in Republicanism. The problem with the the current state of the right is that they do not believe in republicanism. Rhino's rule the day and from a fiscal conservative perspective the party leaders spend money like princesses with credit cards (The Reagan administration included).

I am also a staunch adherent of Classical Liberalism. The problem with the Democratic party it does not believe in classical liberalism. Classical Liberalism and Republicanism are actually very similar.

I used enjoy CNN's "State of the Union" and other MSM. I can no longer make it through a segment without wanting to smash the Television due to the dearth of fallacy, false narrative, and complete lack of objectivity, failure to ask questions that conflict with the false narrative, and utter submission to the establishment false narrative of the day.

We no longer have a fair and free media and thus we no longer have a functional democratic process.

Worried about "Russian Meddling" worry no more. You can not break what is already broken. When both sides are part of the same Establishment swamp ... who care which side gets elected ? Red and Blue both stink like pooh.

Both sides hate the constitution and the principles on which this nation was founded. Both sides love wealth redistribution.
Both love increasing Gov't and police powers while decreasing individual liberty
Both hate Gov't transparency
Both hate free and fair markets and love our pay to play system
Both love Big Gov't and the establishment Oligopolies/Oligarchs/International financiers that run this nation.
Both hate free speech and love censorship (which at the end of the day is what Russia gate is about)
Both love terrorists and terrorism in general


so tell me .... what difference does it make if someone is influenced by some Russian troll posting fake news ? The Establishment wins.

What difference does it make if someone succumbs to some Russian Troll posting fake news or the false narrative and lies that rain down from the Establishment and the MSM on a daily basis ?

This fight is that the Establishment does not like competition in the propaganda war.

 

Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension. You did not even get the term right.

There is a difference between an "Islamist" and a Muslim. Although an Islamist is always a Muslim, not all Muslims are Islamist's.

You can read the same genocidal nonsense in the Bible but this does not turn all Christians into ISIS. Terrible argument.

What I did do is state the specific problem with Islamist ideology. Go read my post again.

 

Ok, tell me which Muslims reject the Quran and do not honor Muhammed, who was a tyrant, despot, terrorist and rapist.

 

Tell me which Christians reject the Bible first. This is a really dumb argument and it is just going to get dumber if you really want to me to drag you through the mud.

 

Come now.

„Murat spielt Prinzessin, Alex hat zwei Mütter und Sophie heißt jetzt Ben“, heißt eine vom Berliner Senat finanzierte Broschüre, die bei Eltern und Politikern derzeit für Unmut sorgt. Herausgegeben hat sie die Bildungsinitiative Queerformat, die sich seit Jahren für die besondere pädagogische Unterstützung von homo-, bi- und transsexuellen Kindern und Jugendlichen einsetzt.

German is not my first language, yet even I can tell that is far from the same thing.

 

Do you know bi, trans or homosexual two year olds?

 

I ask again, which muslim rejects Mohammed?

 

Nope, and that's one reason you shouldn't get so worked up about it. It's not sexualising the kids, but raising awareness and understanding of such differences in society.

 

With 2 year old children? Are you kidding me?

 

that's like saying "there was no such thing as Nazism, they were simply expressing German nationalism & German pride"

 

As long as it's not sex ed, I really don't see how it matters.

 

Like how witch burners and inquisitors were just practising biblical Christianity?

 

Marxist Critical Theory from the Frankfurt School. Criticize and attack everything about the host country. Keep them on the defensive, so they can subvert the host country into something unrecognizable from its origins.
Problem is, their lies have caught up with them. It's not working anymore.

 

Tell me one thing that ISIS did that was not done from Mohammed. Just one.

Since Mohammed is per Quran the ultimate example of behavior amd evry Muslim must stand for him, the case is clear.

 

You make a mistake amigo. Im German and come from eastern Germany. We are the most atheist place on earth with 98% of people being atheist. For me Christianity is pure idiocy as well. But its far less brutal and savage than Islam. Jesus did not rape, kill and terrorized. Muhammed did.

Evry single muslim country is a shithole for that reason. I dont respect this cult.