Far-right protests in Germany against refugees turn violent

Marcus Aurelius also killed when he had to. Or thought he had to.

 

And? I never said anything about being a pacifist. I wrote that compassion is an important trait in a leader.

 

And the fact that all his central leaders and himself are quoted as being a socialist. I love how socialism is constantly reinvented by liberals to mean something else when it fails time and time again. This idea that the Nazis were not left leaning socialist and have been reinvented as right wing conservative individualist is absolute horse (*)(*)(*)(*).

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Fair enough.

 

They were populists. Much like Trump. We have been through this so many times already. There is almost a century of historians and political scientists who have all put them on the right of the spectrum for the reasons we have been over already. Why are you unwilling to learn?

 

I did learn and I learned that your pathological desire to paint the Nazi's as Individualist conservatives is false. I also learned that modern socialist did this because the ideology espoused by the Nazi's lines up directly with modern socialism and they need to distance themselves from it. Todays Liberal socialist are the inheritors of Nazi Ideological beginnings.

"National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable." - Martin Bormann

"That was the year in which the forces of the past attempted in vain to stop the final victory of National Socialism, the year in which every attempt to stop Adolf Hitler and his movement failed, in which in fact every shameless lying attack worked in the end to his advantage." Rudolf Hess

“I joined the party because I was a revolutionary, not because of any ideological nonsense.”
Hermann Goering, NSDAP leader

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.-Joseph Goebbels-Minister of Propaganda

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.-Heinrich Himmler (Where have I heard that before in today's Liberal parties)

 

A century of Socialist Historians who want to distance themselves from the the terrible truth that your beliefs were their beliefs. Modern socialist are inheritors of the Nazi beliefs without the racism.

 

Germany does NOT have freedom of speech or the press.

 

No... No they are not. And you are doing a disservice to the many leftists that fought with pen and gun against the fools. Almost all organised opposition to the fascists were done by leftists in different forms while many conservatives, right wingers and nationalists fought with the fascists.

Try reading Italian socialists from the time. They were among the best and brightest.

 

Political ideological ideas and branding isn't set in stone. European liberalism is totaly different than American (USA/Canada) versions in their application. Same goes with socialism, it did change over time and depending on which country it is used. To say that germany in the 30's wasn't socialist is a lie. For sure it wasn't what someone in modern day France or Sweden would call socialism just like Canadian wouldn't consider France liberal ideology of the 20's the same as the one being practice today here.

The Nazi imposed heavy agrarian reforms. They instituted free healthcare, unemployment benefits and free schools. They also nationalized industries, not all but some. Those aren't the trademark of conservatisms...

 

You mean like Mussolini who had a picture of Karl Marx above his desk?

Mussolini’s career as a Socialist agitator began at age eighteen as a writer for various left-wing magazines. By 1905, he had been arrested numerous times in Switzerland, France, and Austria for revolutionary agitation and Italian police had opened a dossier which characterized him as “impulsive and violent.” Although Fascists and Communists alike were anxious to deny it later, Karl Marx was the biggest single influence on Mussolini and he considered Marx “the greatest of all theorists of Socialism.” He shared Marx’ opinion on religion and once shocked his audience by daring God to strike him dead.
In 1910, Mussolini was asked by one of the Socialist clubs in Italy to become their political organizer and to edit their small weekly newspaper: La Lotta di Classe (The Class Struggle). For the next two years, with a portrait of Marx hanging on the wall he pounded out radical opinions on every subject under the sun. Catholic priests were “black microbes” and “poisoners of young minds.” He described the army as “a criminal organization designed to protect capitalism and bourgeois society” and urged soldiers to disobey their officers.

“There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, revolutionary feeling . . . I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the Party at once. The petit bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade-union boss will never be a National Socialist, but the Communist always will.”-Adolph Hitler

Former Communists made up almost a third of the SA and, later, the Gestapo, and were popularly known as “Beefsteak Nazis” - brown on the outside, Red on the inside. After 1945, hundreds of former Nazis joined the Communist Social Unity Party of East Germany.

 

yes, destruction seems to be a go-to philosophy for many of your partisan tribe.

 

Americans are good at blowing things up and breaking things. We are a warrior nation and are good at war.

Don't believe me ?

George Carlin: We Like War -> [video]https://youtu.be/4lMDbYZ26rg[/video]

 

you are a warrior nation, but not a nation of warriors.
You are a nation with an enormous military industrial complex that is a critical fundamental of th economy.

Recent history would seem to suggest you are really really good at combat (all that money should make it so), but lousy at war when major combat ends.

 

You make excuses. I read how the German parliament demanded to withdraw US nuclear weapons. But US do not care about the opinion of the German Parliament))) Suzerain does not care about the opinion of a vassal.

 

With the imposed RoE I'm not sure you can still call those conflict wars...

 

Quoted as 'socialist' by whom? Right-wingers who want to divert attention away from the truth?

 

Well, everyone in this world is vassal of someone. Germans follows what they are told from US, although try to resist it. Russians, unfortunately, are now vassals of Putin. Whatever he does in the country, they approve. Although, I find it quite suspicious that he has such a high rating. Either a propaganda works very well, or they falsify the statistics.

 

Sorry to be clear direct quoted from their own writings or interviews.

 

merkel doesnt have a plan. Her main action plans now are 1) hope turkey does something 2) hope the rest of europe help me.

If i presented something like that at work i would be fired. Especially if i was a contributing factor to the problem in the first place.

 

If you're so good at wars how come you keep losing them to inferior enemies?

 

Because we're conversely bad at peace is was I expect you to say.

 

because americans are too nice.

 

It is a shame your personal hatred of Jews can't be washed off.

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The protestors are not "far rightwing." To liberals and the leftwing white media, anyone who isn't a leftwing fascist or pure socialist wanting absolute government control of everything and everyone is a "far rightwinger."

 

Why did you write this nonsense? Putin is a good president. He defends the national interests of Russia. Any president of Russia should do so. Russia withdrew its troops from Germany! The last 25 years Russia was soft and yielding. What Russia got in return? Cruise missiles in 10 minutes to Petersburg, Moscow and Sebastopol. Humiliation Russian people in the Baltic States and Ukraine. Enough! Now you will see the hard Russia. I am very sad to realize this, but Russia will become like US. Kill all and live well. Unfortunately on this planet such rules.

 

That is true, with the changing demographics in America in the name of PC multiculturalism we are no longer an nation of warriors. But the same can be said about Europe who also went down the wrong path adopting multiculturalism.

This is what this thread is all about, the "Rape of Cologne," Germany on New Years Eve.

Could it happen here in America ? I suppose it all depends where in America. There are still over a hundred million armed Americans who exercise their Second Amendment rights.