Fast Food workers declare minimum wage "unlivable"

And this attitude is why the country is in such a dismal state. Oh sure you can work 30-40 hours a week but don't think that means you can make a living doing it?

Seriously?

Maybe you just are not old enough to realize it but in the day many a fry cook, store clerk, maids, gardeners, put their children through college working for a living. These are the jobs that are available, if you cannot make a living doing one until you get an education or more experience to move into a management position, what good are they?

PS, although I wish them luck, they do not have the leverage to make corporate America cave. Waste of time and lost wages.

 

Never tried one, but I've heard they are quite good. I love In N Out myself. Eat there several times every
time I go out west.

Oh , and those talking about doubling the minimum wage are as nuts as those who are against increasing it to match inflation. $9.27 an hour, that is where math says the min wage should be set.

 

Ouch.
In Battlefield (and elsewhere), we call that being pwned.

Like walking up behind a sniper, and killing him with the repair tool.

 

So why don't they?

 

I have empathy for those worthy of it, but I am able to draw understand the inherent evils of empathy to those undeserving, something that apparently eludes you.

If your argument is so weak that you must stoop to attempts at invalidating mine such as the line above, run along... I don't have time to deal with people who are incapable of debate.

Great. We agree.


Back to minimum wage. What do you think minimum wage should be? Give me a dollar amount.

 

Why does it have to be based on expensive, in-city living?

$1000 a month in many locations would buy a pretty decent home...as in...equity...ownership.

I know people living on minimum wage and they aren't doing bad...then again, they don't have 4 mouths to feed and don't drive the latest giant SUV with 22" wheels and multi-thousand dollar stereos.

You gotta define "living wage". Seems to me a lot of people think a living wage includes a lot of luxuries and/or multiple kids.

 

Correction: It's not an option FOR YOU. Please stop trying to define "option" for everyone else.

 

The competition waits in the wings.

http://singularityhub.com/2013/01/22/robot-serves-up-340-hamburgers-per-hour/

http://momentummachines.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NHvSivLwyw

The manufacturers are claiming it pays for itself in a year at current wage scale. If the wage doubles, the robot pays off in six months.

Automation will not completely kill off minimum wage fast food labor. It will simply reduce their numbers sharply.

Look at longshoremen. Containers have reduced the labor needed for unloading cargo ships by 95%. A few crane operators make fabulous money, unloading a ship in a shift that would have taken thousands of old-style longshoremen three day to accomplish.

Underground coal mines employ 25% of what they did in 1976, but produce more coal thanks to longwall mining.

Here’s some more low-wage jobs in trouble.

http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-mowers/husqvarna-robotic-mowers-for-homeowners/

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/07/14/robot-farming/

Yeah. Higher wages but fewer jobs.

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The competition waits in the wings.

http://singularityhub.com/2013/01/22/robot-serves-up-340-hamburgers-per-hour/

http://momentummachines.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NHvSivLwyw

The manufacturers are claiming it pays for itself in a year at current wage scale. If the wage doubles, the robot pays off in six months.

Automation will not completely kill off minimum wage fast food labor. It will simply reduce their numbers sharply.

Look at longshoremen. Containers have reduced the labor needed for unloading cargo ships by 95%. A few crane operators make fabulous money, unloading a ship in a shift that would have taken thousands of old-style longshoremen three day to accomplish.

Underground coal mines employ 25% of what they did in 1976, but produce more coal thanks to longwall mining.

Here’s some more low-wage jobs in trouble.

http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-mowers/husqvarna-robotic-mowers-for-homeowners/

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/07/14/robot-farming/

Yeah. Higher wages but fewer jobs.

 

A blatant lie.

NO ONE is looking to remove social assistance across the board. The problem is you lefties refuse to accept, or understand the overly corrupt system and the fraudulent claimants of it. If that's not enough, you want to EXPAND it further. If we left it entirely in the left's hands, we'd be giving welfare to any schmo who asks for it, citizen or not, warranted or not and all for some crackpot emotional whine about "save the children", "disenfranchisement", or the left's favorite "racism" or some such.

 

And here are the top ten welfare recipent states. This includes corporate welfare, unlike yours.


In millions.

1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Colombia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78

 

Better yet, maybe those people can take some responsibility for themselves and not acquire bills they can't pay?

Heh, I lived in Europe for a number of years, wanna go down this road?

Since you are European then perhaps you don't have a full grasp of the situation "over here". Minimum wage is, in fact a "livable wage" for a single person, or even a married couple if they are both making minimum wage. The problem comes in when they want that big screen tv, the XBox Gold Account, the Escalade with 22" wheels, 5 kids, or any other luxury that is beyond their means of income.

Some people have a tendency to make stupid decisions and they find themselves in over their head, but the current trend seems to be to blame anything and everything but themselves.

 

Do you live at home? Is minimum wage enough for families? Are the employees getting paid a fair wage for their work? The fast food industry is making taxpayers pay for the employees' health care and other benefits.

But keep rooting for big business.

 

Living wage is merely the lefts stupid equivalent to "tell them to better themselves if they don't like minimum wage"


No one has answered me flat out. Would you oppose a minimum wage hike to $9.27 an hour which is where it would be if corrected for inflation since 1965? Yes or no?

 

Would you like to compare living expenses back then to now? I'll guarantee you back then people accepted a whole lot less. They didn't claim then needed smart phones, cable, internet, 2 cars, big screen TVs, ect in order to live comfortably. It simply costs more to live now. Were they living in a big city or out in the boonies where cost of living is much more affordable? I doubt your average maid was putting kids through college on her own, sorry.

It comes down to this, if someone working fast food "thinks" they deserve $15/hr, then I deserve a lot more too. Then again, I wouldn't be stupid enough to have a family if I was only qualified to flip burgers. No offense.

 

So... you think that somebody that is able to hold down a minimum wage job, should earn enough to support a family?

In your opinion, what would that hourly wage look like?

 

True story:

Late 1992, I quit a $24/hour (salaried) job (NY State). Spring 1993, I had to get a job to pay bills. I got an opener’s position at a famous fast-food burger joint at $3.75/hour minimum wage (central Massachusetts). I was splitting the rent/bills with one person and we lived in a small house with a loft-bedroom. For the record, we were not television-watchers and had no cable bill.

The relevant question is whether I could have lived off that wage alone and in a more modest rental.

 

Once again, it has been PROVEN that there are LOTS of people working at McDonalds who are qualified to do a lot more than "flip burgers"

so stop being dishonest.

 

Because your calculation is wrong, yes I oppose it.

 

No. I don't support the idea of any established "minimum" wage, and think that the market is a true indicator of the value of labor and isn't manipulated by humans.

You can answer me now. Is $9.27 an hour enough to provide a "living wage" in your opinion?

 

The economy has made people taking minimum wage jobs to support a family. And this has been going on for years. Some people never question Big Business profits or executive salaries. They defend Big Business by attacking the little man. Minimum wages is a factor affecting how the middle class does.

Minimum wage should be at least $10.50 WITH benefits. Can you defend a $5,700 per hour for CEOs? Any worker is worth more that $7.50 per hour.

 

What is the purpose of a job? To give employees income and benefits? Really? Hmmmm...

 

Yes, ............really.

 

Your list, the one you refused to link, is a list of states with the most Federal aid coming in, versus tax money going out.
Small population, major hurricanes, oil pipelines AND small population.... etc.

That has nothing to do with the states receiving the most welfare.... like your original statement.

Libs like to point that list out... but they get called on it every time.


14 of the top 15... blue.

 

My calculation is wrong? I believe I posted links to everything, I will do so again, and according to the rules since you claimed my facts are wrong you must back your claims.

In 1965 the federal minimum wage was $1.25 per hour

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html

In 2013 dollars that is $9.27 per hour

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1.25&year1=1965&year2=2013

I will accept either you proving me wrong or an apology.

 

Insane . And stupidity like this is why nothing gets done. You have one side screaming that NO minimum wage is needed and another side screaming for an outlandish minimum wage.

Once again reasonable people in the middle need to stand up and tell all yall to shut up.

People were making it just fine in 1965 when the minimum wage was $1.25 an hour and nothing more than a correction for inflation need be done. $9.27 an hour. Oh and benefits are supposed to be just that benefits, not expected parts of the job.

Although only a fool of a boss doesn't realize workers need vacations and such to remain at peek performance through the year.