FBI Refutes Trumps Wiretap Claim

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  1. Bluesguy

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    MrTLegal said:
    And then, of course, there is the fact that - like you just said - Obama would not be the one who sign off on a FISA warrant.

    Did you not bother to read the legal procedure as the law requires. The President authorizes the AD to seek the warrant and the AG then instructs the FISA attorneys to go to the court, they both had to sign off on it.
     
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    Your right...Declassify the warrant, lets find out...Ohh this is gonna be better the seeing his tax returns.
     
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    The only denial worth anything is AG Loretta Lynch's and she is keeping completely silent, for some reason.
     
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    They were for banking records - it's been in the media for a while because they caused a crap-storm

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

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    On 15 October, the US secret intelligence court issued a warrant to investigate two Russian banks. This news was given to me by several sources and corroborated by someone I will identify only as a senior member of the US intelligence community. He would never volunteer anything - giving up classified information would be illegal - but he would confirm or deny what I had heard from other sources.


    It was public information - it was also a warrant to investigate banks, not Trump himself

    Trump needs to produce a FISA warrant targeting himself or Trump tower now
     
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    It might not be possible under the FISA law, it's not that is is just classified it was part of an investigation that has produced no indictments and citizens have legal protection from information from such investigations being released. And that is one of the questions, why no indictments? Of course the FBI has already said that they had no evidence of any collusion.
     
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    The FBI would need no warrant to just investigate a foreign bank, the FISA warrant is only need if they are going to engage in surveillance of an American citizen.
     
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    I don't think he has to sign off at all, I'd expect she told him. But his name doesn't have to be on the piece of paper.

    Slow down, I agree with you. I was trying to rationalize the comment you responded to.
     
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    FISA documents are sealed. Do you have the authority to unseal the documents?
     
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    And you know that how?
     
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    You might want to look up what the "F" in FISA means.
     
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    Obama spied on Merkel too. Old habits die hard.
     
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    Between Obama, Clinton, Holder, the IRS , Lynch and all the people working for THEM, it was literally organized crime. I am almost surprised the press isn't jumping all over these abuses. There has never been a more corrupt government in our lifetime. Sad but true.
     
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    The only people who think that Obama's birth certificate is fake are the same idiots who believed Trump when he said his people were in Hawaii looking around.

    Bunch of racist morons.
     
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    That's because there was no actual "wiretapping" which implies the recording of a phone conversation.

    So Trump should just declassify the information related to it and put this to rest.

    Otherwise, we just have to assume that he is lying as usual and/or trying to distract attention away from his corrupt Administration.
     
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    Schematics really? That's where you want to take this argument? Do you know what the FISA court is for? Do you know why it was established? The purpose of the court is "surveillance". It was put in place so Richard Nixon would be able to happen again, by protecting American citizens from being spied on by their government. It made it a requirement that ANY foreign spy practice had to be approved by the president or the FISA court.

    Why did they not go to normal courts? American citizens are protected under the 4th amendment unless there is probable cause they are guilty of a CRIME. FISA courts main requirements are that the person is a foreigner OR the threat is so great it would be detrimental to our sovereignty.
     
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    No, the FISA warrant is designed to spy on foreigners or agents of foreigners that present a threat to America's security. The President can do this without a court order if he wishes under certain conditions.
     
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    You might want to look up what the "F" in FISA means.

    I was responding to this.
     
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    Don't forget the EPA.
     
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    Not even Trump's own people know what he is talking about.

    We have a President that has gone off the rails
     
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    You'll see, Trump is playing this well. The Dems are going to get a big slice of reality. Even bigger when the realize it happen right in front of them while they reported on it.
     
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    Seriously....I had downloaded the White House file and saw for myself. Your choice not to believe must be from willfully following without question. They even show you how they can deconstruct it. You cannot...repeat cannot...do that with a simple scan of a document.
     
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    And a thoroughly corrupt press with rioters for shock troops. We need to elect a President that i f necessary, fights. And we have one. They would have assured us Jeb! was Hitler, too.
     

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