Federal documents: more than 300,000 likely to die if restrictions are lifted

Thanks. I won't moan about it because there are others in much worse shape financially. I brought it up simply to say that I do have skin in the game and I am hoping for the best - contrary to the assertion that I want it to get worse and I'm hoping for people to die.

 

I agree - it is important for the economy to be restarted. And I support the phasing in process proposed. But the foolish actions of the few could result in far more deaths and a longer period of down economic time. Slow and steady will win this race.

 

You might as well consult tarot cards as listen to future government models and future predictions:

 

"It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future."

-Yogi Bera

 

2.5 million people die every year in this country.

A tiny number as a result of this Chinese flu.

I think what Democrats are really saying in all this is "Let's keep the economy in lockdown until after the election."

The problem, of course, is that there won't be any economy - or any country - if we don't open it back up.

Life, she is risky.

People die; all of us.

 

This may be a bit unorthodox since I recently named a different post a 'post of the month'; but I am going to go ahead and bend protocol anyway by declaring your reply a second . . . post of the month. Outstanding!

 

The saddest thing isn't even that our leftists are cheerfully willing to see countless people unnecessarily economically ruined for political advantage but that apparently the vast majority of them urging the nation remain on lockdown really and honestly think that a national economy works by magic and that at any time one wants one can completely shut it down and then just start it up again -- whenever -- and things will be exactly as they were before the economic shut down.

Apparently most of them do not comprehend that we are already most likely going to be dealing with a nasty economic depression at a minimum already. The longer the national shut down the worse the economic back lash is going to become. That's what they don't get. Collectively they appear to have as much comprehension of commerce and economics as a boulder does about long distance swimming.

 

When you see a fork in the road take it. -- Yogi Bera

 

It wouldn't've "maxed out". We would've handled it just like we handled swine flu ten years ago.

 

No, they've done nothing but cause economic woes. Better policy would have been to just live life like normal.

 

So it’s just swine flu now not the common cold as well.

either way you have no way of knowing this. All models predicted that without any form of restrictions heath care could not of managed.

how did you get to your numbers?

 

It's not the common cold. It is a flu.

Models also predicted over 2 million deaths, and now that's been reduced all the way down to 60 thousand (no worse than a typical flu season).

What numbers?

 

You’re the one who said we would survive it like the common cold.

the models predicted that amount of people with no restrictions, only 60,000 now, that’s what non exponential grow does

still don’t know how you knew that we would not max out health care.

 

Were you relying on a 401.k or defined pension plan?

 

Liberals I think; the left is only a few million people where liberals number in the tens of millions.

And yeah - a lot of this seems driven by either liberal ignorance or malice, and of course liberal hatred of Trump.

Many irrationally hate him in the same way they irrationally loved Obama.

Who could have seen THAT coming.

 

And HUGE numbers had it & didn't even know it.

We need to get a collective grip.

 

sale of a business and some property

 

Pants always had an affection for you since you as well have a lab as an avatar and are respectful in debates. The lab in my avatar is my best buddy, we've have run hunt test and field trials all over the south before he retired as a lap dog lol. That being said, what type of business did you sell if you don't mind me asking?

 

Enjoy your lap lab as long as you can! Sadly my boy is now gone. But I've filled my heart with fosters. The business is tourism related/dependent - hence my concern. Give your boy a pat for me!

 

My sister had a chocolate lab that looked just like him for years. Barked louder then any dog I ever heard.

 

We will survive it like we survive the common cold, common flu, swine flu, MERS, SARS, etc... It is not killing any more people than the common flu kills.

No, it just shows that models are only as useful (useless) as the random numbers that are being inputted into them. They also predicted about a quarter of a million deaths WITH restrictions. That isn't anywhere near true to reality. The CDC reports roughly 46,000 deaths as of right now, no more than a typical flu season. That death number is also severely inflated, as "death while having corona" is being counted as "death caused by corona", and States such as New York and Michigan are purposely inflating their death numbers (by classifying everything under the sun as a "corona death") to get more federal funding.

Because swine flu ran rampant across the USA, we didn't take any "preventative measures", and we handled it just fine.

 

This is the first time I've ever seen dead bodies stacked inside 18 wheelers parked on city streets since the death toll is so high. Can you tell me why in prior years they never had to resort to storing dead bodies outside the morgue/hospital??

 

Correct. There are many more people who have already been exposed to it who are not being counted in the denominator (# of cases), so the denominator is being severely understated, and the numerator (# of deaths) is being severely overstated due to counting "death while having corona" as a "death resulting from corona". States such as New York and Michigan are inflating their "corona death" tally for federal funding purposes.

Since the numerator is actually much smaller, and the denominator is actually much larger, the "mortality rate" is being severely overstated, and is actually no worse than the common flu.

Absolutely! We need to stop fear mongering and just enjoy life. This fear mongering is leading to people doing very irrational things, such as thinking that a mask rated for ~95% protection from particulates larger than 300nm (let alone the "makeshift" cloth masks and etc.) is going to stop a virus that is much smaller than that, buying insane amounts of toilet paper/hand sanitizer/etc..., putting plastic around credit card machines (with holes for the card to be inserted/swiped) believing that this is going to somehow protect people when they're still all touching the keypad all the same, and countless other examples.

These are people who do not understand science, do not understand how the immune system works, do not understand mathematics, do not understand logic, do not understand philosophy, do not understand history, do not understand economics, ... ... ...


The worst part of all of this is not going to be the virus itself. It is going to be the economic impact that follows the draconian measures that we have taken. We are not increasing wealth right now, but we are quickly printing dollars like there is no tomorrow. This means that significant inflation is right around the corner, so when you get your $1,200 stimulus check/deposit, it would be wise to spend it right away (anything but throw it into savings), preferably spend it on an asset of some sort if you can, or put it towards investing in gold/silver, as the purchasing power of that dollar is going to decrease in a hurry once the economy reopens again.

 

I think the number of people who had it, the number of people with antibodies in their blood, will be very high. The weak died, the strong survived with naturalized immunity.

 

Many of the weak, like me being healthy in my mid-seventies but still in a high risk category, have also survived. But eventually all and me will have to come out of the bunker and be exposed to corona. Everybody is eventually going to get corona and be subject to nature, which is supreme.

If you have to go on the deathalator your odds are pretty damn slim.

And you have to consider that the immunization(s), when it comes, might not work very well at all, like the flu immunization -- although it could be the best one ever to come down the pike.

Most everything about corona is still basically unknown at this point in time -- except all of the models have really sucked, and people are going broke and businesses are going out of business, both through no fault of their own.