Federal Prosecutors ‘Concluded that President of the United States Committed a Felony’

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  1. bx4

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    No, it's about what Cohen said. And if he told the truth, Trump committed a felony in order to improve his chances of getting elected.

    That should concern every American. It certainly concerns every patriotic American.
     
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    You're killin me smalls

    Impeachin anytime soon? :hiding:
     
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    I like that take: “his own justice department”

    Well said
     
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    Given what people believe they know about Trump has been the work product of an agenda driven liberal media, caught lying and misrepresenting too many times to count, should anyone takes this latest spin with anything more than a grain of salt?

    I agree that cumulative evidence is always an important issue in determining guilt in any legal matter. The veracity and method in which that evidence is gained is also an important issue.

    However, I also believe in the legal process, which allows the accused to face their accuser, and cross examine them is very relevant in matters like this one.

    The liberal media is clearly unfamiliar with such a concept, and depends on their target audience to respond as trained. They convicted the President before he took office, and continue with that agenda to this day.

    That would be grounds for a potential juror to be excused from a case, but certainly not the media wishing for the President's end.
     
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    That interview was an amazing thing to watch. When Koppel told Hannity, “yes, your bad for the country”, Hannity actually admitted that what he does is bullshit, and he lies, and that the american people should be able to see that. And the rights take on that interview was “Koppel attacks Hannity”, and then they go back to believing every word Hannity spews.
     
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    Clinton commited felony perjury in order to deny his sexual assault victim a fair trial.

    Trump payed a bimbo extortion money. Most likely for at least the 12th time.

    Good luck with that comparison.
     
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    Let’s be honest here condor, CNN is the poster child for Donalds attacks. And I agree that they do go after DOnald at every turn, but remember that those attacks are reciprocal. Trump has spent the entirety of his presidency attacking them becasue in his first day in office he claimed the “largest crowd to ever see an innauguration”, and CNN is the network that pulled the pics of Obamas innauguration and proved him wrong. Trump started attacking them seconds after that.

    Fox being rated number one is simply because they are more available. Murdoch is a genius at what he does, and that genius was put front and center when he started negotiating with cable companies in the 80’s and 90’s. He forced them, as part of the negotiations to put Fox News on every basic package they offered. Thats the only reason they are number one is “accessibility”. You can also note that FOx is on the basic package for both DTV and DISH. So FOX is on in every bar, airport, train station etc.

    And also, being “watched” and being correct, and/or truthfull are completely different things. Fox has been shown in study after study to be the most dishonest, bias network on the air today. So while you say CNN “can’t give a fair report” to Trump, you need to also mention that Fox wont hold him accountable for anything. They may be opposite ends of the spectrum, but both should be held accountable if the truth is the measuring stick.

    Yes, CNN does pick him apart, but thats a learned behavior after Fox did exactly that for the 8 years of Obama. If you want to discuss the bias in the media, you cannot have that discussion unless you start it with, and understand that Fox News changed the landscape of what we call news, so far to the right that they moved the center to the right. You seem like a smart person, so I’m sure you would agree with that statement ?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You had 8 years of Bill Clinton investigations. 5 Years of investigating everything Hillary, and you found nothing but hyperbole and accusation.

    We have 2 years of Trump and what ? 20 some indictments, multiple guilty pleas, some serving jail time. We now has a special counsel that last night said that Trump broke campign finance laws. But your somehow trying to use one to justify the other ?

    If you can prove Hillary broke the law, throw her in jail. I absolutly support that. I suportted investigating what they did, the same as I do with what Mueller is doing. But you lost me with Hillary after the 7the round of investigations found nothing to take to a court, so they started number 8.
     
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    More accurate assessment:
    Hillary Clinton has been given a complete pass for breaking the law by both the dems, DOJ, and FBI who did everything they could to not charge Hillary including making up a fictious part of federal law. The dems and media have played cover for any scandal on the left including Obama's IRS knowingly targeting conservative groups and the head of it pleading the 5th.

    Then you have a 2 year fishing expedition because the left still cant come to grips that they lost, all of which has shown 0 evidence of obstruction or Russian collusion. All they've gotten is bankrupting a former general till he gave up and plead guilty, charging Manafort with really old crimes that had already been declined to be brought, and some other crimes of people lying to the FBI. Aka crimes that wouldn't have happened without the investigation itself, has nothing to do with trump, and a crime bill Clinton committed WITHOUT being prosecuted (but no bias right?). Oh and some Russians being indicted which we'll never know if its legit because Mueller knows they wont ever be extradited.

    Any honest observer can see the meuller investigation is a sham and in no way incriminated trump. I didnt even vote for trump but the left has been acting so crazy they are making trump seem like the rationale one.
     
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    The headline is a lie

    The mueller soft coup did not accuse trump of any crime
     
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    I respect your opinion Grape but we should look at this from both lenses. This crowd size argument wasn't the beginning of the medias blitz on Trump. He was continually accused of everything they could throw at him from day one. Before Trump ever decided to run he was beloved by Democrats, Politicians, Oprah, Interviewers, Hollywood, Regis, Larry King, The Clintons, and other assorted Presidents. He won the Ellis Island award, hied the first woman to erect a skyscraper, built or renovated skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, and golf courses. He was asked to license his name for real estate and consumer products. He co-authored several books, including The Art of the Deal. He owned the Miss Universe and Miss USA beauty pageants and he produced and hosted the reality television show, The Apprentice, and Forbes estimates his net worth to be $3.1 billion. He was a billionaire, celebrity.

    The very day he announced his candidacy for president he was automatically the enemy of the left with the same media that had followed him for over 35 years now claiming he's a racist, Bigot, Homophobic, Islamaphobic, liar, Con man, rapist, pedophile, womanizer, and the list goes on and on. This started a year before he was inaugurated and any claim to the contrary just isn't true.

    This isn't accurate at all. Fox is not on in ever bar, airport or train station. I guess you are unfamiliar with CNN Airport. It is a package provided to every large airport in the US to exclusively provide CNN. For this opportunity CNN pays the Airport authorities over 100K per location per year. Even with these outlets playing CNN 24/7 they have lost viewership because of the continuing fake news and the lack of basic journalism by only providing opinionated news which is the most bias you can find.

    The CNN Airport network dates back to when CNN was known for straightforward news programming -- and has been a fixture at airports since before competitors MSNBC and Fox News even existed. But these same airport authorities are now asking if busy travelers should be subjected to CNN’s increasingly ideological programming -- at gates, bars, food courts and baggage claims -- which can include on-screen chyrons or subtitles that gleefully mock President Trump. Many travelers have even taken to Twitter and started online petitions to urge airports to change the channel and these airport packages are under review to actually remove CNN because of their uncontrolled bias.

    There are no basic cable packages that don't host CNN. That is just the excuse they use for loss of viewers. If you can find one I would like to see it. Maybe what you are talking about are cable providers who have dropped CNN.

    You are going to have to show these studies as they certainly don't line up with the actual viewer Ratings data released by Nielsen. They show the Fox News Channel host are unrivaled as the most-watched host in cable news, with 3.368 million total viewers. You can't get there by being the most dishonest or bias.

    I was actually watching CNN at the time. I thought Obama might be the next JFK in his early days but about 3 years into his presidency I started seeing him for who he really is. (IMHO) Yes, Fox was always giving their negative opinion of Obama just like CNN did with Bush and so on. But everyone was reporting positives as well to include CNN/Bush and Fox/Obama. What Fox was upset about of the Obama time was the love fest CNN was having with the administration but NEVER EVER in our history has any news source ever ran a list of fake news stories just to politically assassinate a sitting president like they have with Trump. When it becomes so bad that you move from 1st to last place in viewers while you have a public monopoly in Airports there really isn't anything left for discussion.

    Both CNN and Fox have host that are nothing but political bias a**holes. Hannity is embarrassing to say the least but do you know what Fox does to get more viewers that NONE of the other news providers do? They provide a platform for the more Liberal based viewer with Shepard Smith. You will not find a single conservative that likes this guy. Everything he does is negative Trump.

    I do want to close with saying how much I appreciate your professionalism in having a conversation from both sides of the table. It is refreshing to be able to exchange views without the attacks and have an intelligent conversation with another open mind from across the isle. I may not agree with you Grape but you certainly have my respect Sir.
     
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    SO now the entire federal government is covering for Hillary, and their simultaneously trying to destroy Trump ?

    Sit back, take a breath and re-read that statement ;)
     
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    Nothing burger.

    Spooj-stained dress redux.

    Both parties are grotesque, corrupt, criminal farces.
     
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    As you have mine friend.
     
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    Nah just individual 1...whoever that may be lol
     
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    Federal Prosecutors ‘Concluded that President of the United States Committed a Felony’

    Now that we have that out of the way, perhaps we can move on.
     
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    Wandering around in hopeless denial of the truth. Classic trumpette reaction. All emotional kneejerk, no facts, but blissful partisan smear.

    So much winning in their own minds regardless of reality.
     
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    You are really saying someone else is making a partisan smear? Self-aware much?

    What's this? The 597th time you finally GOT TRUMP this time?
     
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    Are you really surprised? DC has a political elite that cant be touched. Bill wasn't prosecuted for breaking the law which every agrees he did, Hillary's "investigation" was an obvious sham to anyone who knows anything about security clearances. So yes, they've been given free passes. To any non bias analysis the double standard is pretty obvious.
     
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    1) There is no way of knowing (one way or the other) what sort of "trouble" Trump is in until the end of the investigation.

    2) Even if Trump is found culpable they won't have the GOP Senate Votes to convict and remove.

    3) Since Trump has no honor, ethics, or respect for the Office--Even if he is in Complete Disgrace and Dishonor he would never resign.

    4) Trump is the type who after losing the 2020 election would scream "Voter Fraud!", refuse to participate in a peaceful transition, try to start WW3 during the lame duck session, and then be removed kicking and scraming by the new President's Secret Service.

    5) Neither Trump nor his Blinded RW Echo Chamber will ever concede that he is guilty of anything.
     
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    Your post doesnt sound bias at all. You can dislike trump without making up crazy ideas about him just to insult him. If he loses in 2020 he may cry voter fraud and whine on Twitter, but in no universe would he refuse to participate in a peaceful transition. There has been no indication he wouldn't peaceful transition. In contrast there were many big people on the left who actually called for Obama to declare martial law instead of trump being sworn in.
     
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    Campaign finance violation.

    Why should Trump be prosecuted for what everyone else got slapped on the wrist?
     
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    Well to paraphrase "Casino Royale", there are campaign finance violations and campaign finance violations.... this is the latter...
     
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    This entire drama is about a rich dude paying off a girl to not make an affair public. Personally I dont think this falls in a campaign violation charge because it would be way to broad of an interpretation. But even if you do how is this the worse type of campaign violation? If anything it doesnt even hit speeding ticket level of campaign finance violations.
     

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