I'm Pro-Life, after witnessing someone giving a speech at my speech debate in high school regarding abortion. It was touching in all aspects when he debated with someone who was pro-choice. He truly experienced having his family wanting his mother to abort him. She kept him, and choose to have him born. Honestly anyone acknowledging such a thing can be hard to live with. Anyone living with such a experience would be pro-life. Every time a Pro-Choice advocate defends their position on abortion. Their #1 excuse is "It's her body, her property she can do whatever she wants with it." This is so flawed in so many ways it's not even funny. First off she wouldn't of got pregnant in the first place if it wasn't for the male. So that child in her body came from his sperm which is his property to, and he should have voice in the matter. That child in her body is much of his property as her. If this is the case then what about everyone elses bodies. Why should we care if people doing drugs, killing themselves no matter how young they are. Oh wait that doesn't matter because it's their body, and choice to do so. Seems like Males get shafted either way, why don't males have a voice in the matter. If the father wants the child, and mother does not. It's OK for her to have a abortion, and have no say in the matter without consequence. Then when the father does not want the child, and mother does. The father gets slapped with child support, and she has more right taking care of the child even go so far denying the father seeing his children as well. I'm only pro-choice if the women is raped. Besides the point making Abortion legal is just pure inhumane in all forms. A female needs to understand having sex does carry the chance of two consequences getting pregnant or having a STD. All abortion advocates is for people to have sex even more without consequence which spreads more STD's. So you have sex, you carry the consequences.
The man might have helped the woman get pregnant, but the fetus is in her body, making it her property. Her body is her property and anything inside her body belongs to her. The father has nothing to do with it. The man has his ten minutes of fun and gets to sit around and do nothing for the next nine months while the woman deals with her stomach growing, having to buy new clothes because she can't fit into the old ones, and aching back and ankles. Then when she goes to give birth her idiot husband rushes around like a moron because he doesn't know what to do, and some men claim it can't be all that bad. They hold their baby in their arms and act like they've achieved something, when in actual fact, they only thing they achieved was an orgasm. If the woman wants the baby and the father does not, and he has made it clear to her that he doesn't want to be a father, then IMO he should be allowed to walk away.
I think the mother has ultimate responsibility and rights in regards to her child. Men shouldn't have a say in abortion but they also shouldn't have to pay child support. A women knows that having unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy, they put THEIR bodies on the line. The male does not risk getting pregnant, if he did then it would be his problem. Both partners are responsible for the effects of unprotected sex on themselves but not for the other person.
Then you're not pro-life... you're circumstantial. The child is still a child, regardless of the method in which it was conceived.
All this shows is that you are easily manipulated. As a debate student, you should be able to recognize appeal to emotion. It's a logical fallacy. Your debate coach didn't explain that to you?
It has been brought to court, at least in the United States, and lost on the approach of no abortion via the males right etc. I looked it up some time ago, but it was tried a few times, somewhere in the south. Technically, the US govt owns the womans body. This is the tragedy of the situation, and brings about a situation of the lesser of two evils, in my perspective anyways. Kill a human being, or trangress on the rights of women. I say trangress on her rights. Killing ones child for whatever reason, is utterly inhumane. The fact that children are societies most cherished universally protected, and unconditionally loved...can have such an insidious legalized option to kill them prior to their point of womb extraction is a glaringly duplicious statement, of a society that is stagnant with moral relativism, ease of consequence and conscience.
As noted that is just an appeal to emotion, trust me if they did abort him he would not care as he would not have been capable of caring. No, is it not the males simply because the male added to it. The fetus is physically attached to the female. That is like saying hey I am going to draw on this wall then it can be part mine. This is her body, the male has no claim to it, it is not growing inside him. Well we should care to the point of telling people not to mess their lives up with drugs or looking out for others when they may be suicidal, but no these things should not be illegal. As noted this is not the father's body, thus the final decision on terminating the pregnancy rests with the mother. If the male wants the child aborted and the mother refuses the male should not owe child support. All better see? That makes no sense. You start with how abortion is wrong with a story of a kid that was almost aborted, but if his pregnancy was because of rape, then ending the pregnancy would have been just fine. That is not consistent. Females do understand that, when they get an STD they go to the doctor too. Dealing with consequences does not mean living them out. They don't say 'oh I got X STD, I guess I will just have to let it runs it course instead of having it treated.' Getting it treated is dealing with the consequences, similarly having an abortion is dealing with the consequences.
Ten minutes, well that would be a disappointing amount of time... But ya I agree, he should be able to walk away in that case.
The woman does not become the property of the male just because he squirted a bit of DNA inside of her.
Whether an embryo or fetus is a human being is a matter of opinion, not fact. Not true, they are not universally protected pre-birth. Most industrialized countries do not criminalize abortion. If you want to lower the rate of abortion, then promote policies that have been proven to accomplish that goal, and criminalizing abortion does not. Canada has no laws restricting abortion, and yet has one of the lowest rates of abortion and maternal mortality in the world. If reducing the rate of abortion is not your goal, then I have to wonder about your motives for criminalizing it.
The weakest and the voiceless are always targets for bullies and cowards, because they are easy to abuse. The unborn are the absolute weakest of our society, and therefore the most easily targeted. It's very easy to dismiss and devalue a person when you do not have to look them in the eye or hear their voice. In many Muslims societies, women are property. Killing your wife is pretty much understood as ok for any variety of reasons in the more traditional areas. In our societies women have insitutions that protect them. So we've simply moved on to an easier target that we can all agree on..... In some cultures, its acceptable to murder infant girls. There is no discernable difference between this act, and abortion, apart from 1-9 months worth of time. Pro-choice folks are not really pro choice, they are only pro their choice. They do no favor the choice of the father, nor the choice of the baby. It's funny the people who favor abortion, never favor it for themselves.
I'm not making a choice for anyone. It's theirs to make. An inability to make conscious decisions tends to create that reality. Do you always talk in bumper stickers?
If the child is the woman's exclusive property because it is in her, does that mean the man should have no responsibility for child support. If he has no say, why should he have any responsibility?
Taking away a woman's reproductive rights would not take away the man's legal responsibility for child support. The ability to plan the number and spacing of children benefits both women and men.
If a man and a woman engage in consensual sex and she gets pregnant, she gets to choose whether or not to have the child. He has no say in the matter. She then gets to extort that man for child support for the next 18 years. He has no say, because having a child is the natural consequence of unprotected sex, so it is right for him to pay for his consequences. Pregnancy is the natural consequence of unprotected sex, yet is it acceptable for a woman to abort her pregnancy and thereby avoid paying for the consequences if she chooses. The problem is that the current system is unbalanced in favor of the woman. If women want equal rights, they need to give up the added rights that come from the Roe v Wade/Gomez v Perez rulings.
Taking away women's reproductive rights would not result in equality. That would only mean the woman would have the burden of pregnancy, childbirth, and child care for 18 years, in addition to her share of child support as determined by a court. If you think the system is unfair because men have no choice, then you need to lobby for men's right to opt out of legal parenthood, and policies that result in fewer unwanted pregnancies. Taking away women's rights would not would not take away a man's legal obligation for child support.
Wow, where to start, Well here is one erroneous statement! "The man might have helped the woman get pregnant, but the fetus is in her body, making it her property." No human being is allowed to be the property of any other in any civilized society. Then there is this blatantly sexist and bigoted statement: "Then when she goes to give birth her idiot husband rushes around like a moron because he doesn't know what to do, and some men claim it can't be all that bad. They hold their baby in their arms and act like they've achieved something, when in actual fact, they only thing they achieved was an orgasm."
If that's truly your impression of every father's involvement then I feel really sorry for you. I bent over backwards for my wife during her pregnancies, and she deserves all the credit in the world for going through what she did to give birth to our children. I'm not sure what led you to your beliefs, but you might at least consider finding some better family/couple role models.
Many fully 'born' humans cannot make concious decisions, should the choice to live be made for them also? Do you always talk in personal insults?
That child has a seperate DNA and a heartbeat. Its a unique being and it has the right to live. Its a separate person from the mother which means it MURDER when she kills it.
Ask Terri Schiavo. This is an abortion discussion... let's keep it there to avoid any other faulty/recycled talking points.
