FINALLY, Trump is actually making a profit.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by gandrews, May 14, 2018.

  1. GrayMan

    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    Why aren't any economists millionaires?
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm saying that documented facts say your accusations are biased and just basic political hate. "Dotard in chief" and crap like that is what children come up with when they can't deal with reality so they call names and insult personally. It's not a matter of liking Trump's personality or style- we did not hire him to look pretty and kiss babies, but to get things done, and despite the continuous garbage flinging of the left- they are getting done, faster than any presidency in recent history.

    If you criticize someone so crudely regarding a job you can't begin to understand or do yourself, it's just blather- baloney, hot air, whining, sour grapes, generally bad form and short character. You don't need discrediting by others, you have discredited yourself. IF you are a self-made billionaire and business mogul with a record like Trumps, say someone like Phil Ruffin (Owns Treasure Island Casino and many other businesses) then you are in a position to know, and can criticize legitimately. Ruffin, who knows Trump personally, approves. He's a genuine success too; knows how it's done.

    Trump has around 600 companies. His name is a high-price brand in itself, known for upscale quality around the world. His "inheritance", while the exact nature of it may not be known, if virtually irrelevant. Even so, it is a tiny fraction of the worth of Trump businesses today. Having money does not make you successful- people who don't know how to grow and build assets lose inheritances, lottery wins and other windfall riches in short order, and Trump was a success before his father died. If you are a builder of wealth and you inherit, all that does is up the scale of your potential. The second million is indeed easier to make than the first, the third easier than the second. Such skill is exceptional and rare- which is why true wealth is exceptional and rare. Most simply don't have what it takes, but feel qualified to criticize those who can do what they cannot.

    Success IS proof of ability. Denying it and coming up with off-the wall rationalizations doesn't change that, it only deceives the person claiming it as he needs to believe his own justification for not being in the same class.
     
  3. AZ.

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    Ooooooooooooooo, let me help you get the answer!

    Because they wernt born with a gold spoon in their mouth or handed $400 million to start!

    I would say thats 99% accurate....


    But thanks for playing, ASK A STUPID QUESTION, and get a real answer
     
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    lol, of course it does.
     
  5. rahl

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    not as much as for trump
     
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    He is worth more !
     
  7. rahl

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    no he isn't.
     
  8. spiritgide

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    Once again, for the who knows how many thousandth time- we hear the pitch that the rich all started rich. Pure, unadulterated hogwash.

    Billionaires who started with nothing form a long list of names we all know well.


    Buffet talked friends and family into taking a chance with him, financing small investments.
    Elon Musk borrowed $26,000 from family to finance his first business effort.
    Bill Gates started his business in a garage.
    Sheldon Adelson
    Carl Berg
    Stephen Biscotti
    Leon Charney
    John Paul DeJoria
    Larry Ellison
    Alan Gerry
    Alec Gores
    Harold Hamm
    Kirk Kerkorian
    George Joseph
    Ralph Lauren
    Carl Lindner
    David Murdock
    Thomas Peterffy

    And that's the short list for billionaires. Drop to millionaires, and the list is huge- I know. There are three in my family now- and we inherited nothing of consequence, and that we did inherit came after we had already made it. Money can be inherited, but it can't be grown and kept by most people- that takes a particular talent. Too many people want money- but not success. Success takes work, you must learn how to make, how to manage and build money- and that provides wealth. That separates those who can build wealth from the get-rich quick schemers.

    My career has put me in contact with many very successful people, and I always used every opportunity to ask the secrets of their success. One of them was an oil man who was known for pulling off a one-day deal that made a million bucks. He was also known for being tight-mouthed and never giving advice, but I asked him anyway- and the secret is in how you ask. I said, "I keep hearing this rumor that you made a million dollar one day deal- and that would indeed be a fantastic success, and success is something I admire. Is that story true, or just rumor?"
    He answered that it wasn't true- it was only $975,000. Then, he spent the next 30 minutes telling me all the details. Next, I asked- why did you share that with me, when people say you never share your business secrets? His answer- " Most people ask how to get rich. You asked how to be successful. Most want a shortcut to money- You asked how to become the kind of person who has the ability to make money."

    I know a janitor who is a millionaire through consistent investing. Those who blame the rich for being successful, who rationalize their success, are actually evading the responsibility for creating their own success- making others responsible for what they haven't done, and abdicating the power over their own lives. If you do that you won't be successful. Guarantee it.
     
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    The only additional cost is travel cost. Not the team itself.
     
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    there is additional cost, as you just acknowledged, and I pointed out.
     
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    A billionaire is finally making a profit and the OP cannot see the hilarity of this.
     
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    What My original post stated was that the security cost the same where ever it is deployed. Travel cost are incidental costs not part of the cost of the team.
     
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    Well and truly stated. But there is one other thing that goes with it that is all to often overlooked. In the United States of America you get to determine what success looks like for you. You determine that every day of your life. One does not have to be rich to be successful. It is all in how one approaches life. And please I am not critiquing you here, the world desperately needs more people like you who can create wealth. Without them we would all still huddled in caves shuddering in fear of the greater darkness outside. You can't have a vibrant middle class without people who can create wealth.

    I count myself a success because I raised two kids both of whom have Jobs they like. My daughter as a Porsche customer service rep makes nearly six figures a year and at just over thirty is involved in making some management decisions for a major car dealer. NOt bad for a kid who only has a GED. My son helps keep the Northeastern power grid up and running via a little IT company 1500 miles away and once worked for a guy in Israel without ever leaving his bedroom monitoring websites for some reality TV shows. Me I've done everything from running rides in an amusement park to teaching school, including a stint as a weather tech in the US Army, during the Vietnam War. I think the most I and my wife together ever made was around 35k a year. But I like my life. I had a couple of stints in management and quickly determined that such wasn't my cup of tea.
     
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    I support Trump's avid golfing and I am happy that he spends so much time on the course. The more time the senile old loudmouthed fart bag is away from his desk, the better it is for America and the world in general. Like my father used to say about his mother in law: "I'd like to send him on a trip to the 1000 islands, and let him spend two weeks on each one".,,
     
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    A phrase I used to use teaching lifeskills classes:

    "We are all looking for the same three things in life- Love, happiness, success. We each may define them differently- but when achieved as we wish them to be, they make us whole.

    You are exactly right- the accomplishment is succeeding at your goals in the things that value to you. The confidence that a person gains when they have done this makes them strong, and it makes them free. Fortunately, it also gives them great ability to set examples for their children and pass on the values. Wealth is one common measure- but it's a poor man that has money, yet doesn't know and respect himself. Few people I've known who had wealth were what I would call miserable at being human beings, but there have been some. If you look carefully, you can see that their financial success has not bought the rest of the package for them, and they are usually unhappy people.... faking it.
     
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    A study of history indicates that most of the rich who are miserable are second and third generation rich who chose to rest on mommy and daddy's laurels rather than strike out on their own search for success.
     
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    you are desperately trying to make a distinction, without a difference.
     
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    Garyd, there is a corollary of sorts here. Basically, that you value what you have earned much more than something equal that was given to you.
    This applies not only to property, but to things like freedom, respect and honor. Most of the things I have given to others with the best intention of helping have been treated poorly, as if easy come, easy go. Cars, money, jobs, bail-outs of debt issues. There are things you can give people- but there are things that they can only give themselves, and those are the most important and most valuable.

    We have far too many people today that assume a quality is theirs because they acquire some symbol- such as the term "Honorable", which graces the door of all our congressmen.
    You can be given a symbol of many things, and be totally undeserving of it. Some rise to the occasion and opportunity that such a position presents, but many do not.
     
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    A friend of mine with whom I share a Sunday school works for a man who is very much involved in local charitable work. He told me that they were discussing charity one day and his boss told him that the hardest thing in the world to do was to help some one without inadvertently destroying him or her.
     
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    But there is a distinction and it is different. I'm quite sure Trump would use his own plane if they'd let him.
     
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    except there is no distinction, or difference.
     
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    I can understand how that works- loss of self respect, or never being able to achieve it. Once people start relying on others instead of themselves as the basic provider of their needs, they become dependent- and that prevents them from ever feeling that they can control their own lives. They begin to resent the sources of support, sometimes see themselves as captives or slaves. Bad place to be, and a lot of people are there.
     
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    And that is the easily predictable source of all the pathologies inherent in the welfare state.
     
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    I agree- and the misunderstanding of that, and the motive to grab the political advantages that a weak population offers, seems to be promoting it. This is one of those things that harbors great risk for the future.
     
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    You still want him out golfing if you know he's pocketing millions of dollars of taxpayer money while he's doing it?
     

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