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Practice, my ass. The Dayton shooter shot 44 rounds of his 250 rounds in 32 seconds, so show me how it's possible for a shotgun to do that.

 

You could literally mail order a rifle with no background check .... Common sense be damned

 

You've only proven how little you know about firearms.

 

I don't see anything of relevance in your link.

 

The UK is a disarmed country so cops can to an extent also disarm.

 

If your parent had caught you and wanted to they could've sworn out a complaint on you for handling their firearm without permission and supervision. In fact in this new climate if the grabbers have their way, they likely would've been required to report you as fixated on firearms and in need of a psych eval or be charged as an accomplice to any hypothetical murder you commit.
We don't touch things that aren't ours. We don't handle firearms without permission and supervision. You were a naughty child and I'll bet it was concentrated evil that came out the back of you

My neighborhood is good because we all have guns to protect ourselves and our property and our neighbors and their property.
Teamwork makes the dream work.

The landlord actually had the door reinforced so I wouldn't recommend kicking it. You'd need a swat ram. Windows have barrable shutters (hurricane country, you know?)

Again, with all the noise you're going to get caught and then likely shot in my neighborhood but IDK it doesn't take long to get in a roof with a sawzall. Course then you'll need to cut your way down again, since the attic door locks and why would I leave it unlocked? How are you avoiding all the cameras the neighborhood has set up at intersections and the ones I've got and my neighbors have? And what are you going to do about the safe? Its bolted to the floor.

 

It's called acting civilized.

 

Sure.



The Capital Gazette shooter in MD killed 5 of 7 targets in under a minute in a sparsely populated newspaper office.....using a pump shotgun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Gazette_shooting

 

I could enter a crawl space and cut thru a floor just as easily with minimal exposure and I'm >67. I don't rob houses, but I know how they are built. To me, the 140 pound Mastiff that guards my house is more valuable than a hundred houses. I don't keep her there for protection, but there are times I have to leave her home to shop.

Here is what you can possibly guard with guns. You'd have to live in your house with a gun constantly by your side to protect you, or otherwise you'd never get to a gun in time to use it. It doesn't take a swat team or a rocket scientist to figure out a quick way to get thru a locked door. You'd have to walk around this planet carrying a gun without that gun being taken away and used against you. A man should know his limitations and no man is that bad or insightful about what can possibly happen.

Your suggestions sound too Florida to me and those people don't know jackshit about jackshit.

 

I think it took me 5 seconds to do 6 targets with a pump shotgun.

You'd need an external magazine with high capacity in a shotgun that can be sawed off and put in a vice to give it horizontal spread to come close to what an AR-15 is capable of doing. The logistics of using shotguns isn't there. It boils down to what a person can carry and the fact that any weapon will eventually heat up and become useless.

 

So you're not very good. That's why I said it takes a little practice.

No, you wouldn't need a magazine. All you need is to be the only one with a gun in the area, a hand, and some practice at quad-loading.

Was the logistics there for the guy who killed all those people at the Capital Gazette?

 

Try math. How in **** can any shotgun on the market or without master design shoot 44 times in 32 minutes? Have you ever shot a shotgun? Does it kick like an AR? Explain how it's possible for a human being to use a shotgun that way.

 

I don't think you understand. The safe is bolted into the foundation and the floor is flush with the foundation. Have you never seen a gun safe installed before? There is no crawl space beneath my floor, we don't have basements etc there is no space beneath the floors of my house its direct into the concrete of the foundation. Carpet on concrete man, that's how we do it. Or if you lay wood you lay it over the concrete. The walls of the house are entirely brick. You cut through the roof, awesome, now HOW ARE YOU OPENING THE SAFE? More to the point how are you getting out of the house now? The doors need keys to open from either side, except for the deadbolt. The shutters have locks too. You going back out the roof there fella?
Gonna kool-aid man through the wall? Lol

I also have a dog, dogs are not bulletproof. The dog is there to warn me, and in a last resort protect me while I arm up, but I'd prefer to just be alerted and shoot the ****er myself.

I do have a gun constantly with me. Don't you? Its not just a locked door, its a reinforced security door. You would in fact need a ram like a swat team carries, or I suppose a halligan and a **** ton of time and effort and noise. Which will get you shot in my neighborhood.
Yeah that's called carry, people do it every day. Google Defensive Gun Use. I didn't say I was invincible, I said I wanted to have a tool on me with which to defend myself and others if I'm able to rather than being a sitting duck. No one said I was rambo dude, just that I preferred being armed to being disarmed because armed I have a chance of some sort.

 

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In mid-December 2015, an image purportedly showing a vintage 1950s Sears catalog ad featuring a smiling family all holding rifles began circulating on Facebook:



That ad is indeed real, although it was not originally published in the Sears catalog back in the 1950s. The advertisement promoted Daisy brand airguns (i.e., pellet rifles and BB guns) and featured several products such as the Spittin’ Image line that were not available until the 1960s.

While it’s possible that such an ad appeared in the Sears catalog at sometime in the 1960s, the only published version we’ve been able to uncover came from a 1966 issue of Boys’ Life magazine, the monthly publication for members of the Boy Scouts of America:




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So it's not that guns are more readily available so it has to be a cultural thing.

 

In the 1960s things were very different. You could buy long guns mail order with no questions asked. Just send in your check or money order and you got your gun. A 14 year old could buy a rifle mail order. Nowadays, any mail order purchase has to be done through a licensed FFL dealer to do the background check and paperwork.



Golden State Arms Corp. in Pasadena was the biggest gun dealer in the USA.

NRA American Rifleman Magazine ad 1950s / D.D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection



Mail order purchases of handguns were a little different than mail order long guns in the 1960’s. If you lived out of state you could buy a pistol mail order with a signed letter stating you were 21 years old and not an alien or criminal. Again a 14 year old could buy a pistol. Certain states required a permit to purchase the gun. CA residents had to order their pistol from an in-state dealer.



In the 60s you could walk into Retting’s gun shop in Culver City and buy a full auto machine gun. (With Class III paperwork.) Yet no mass shootings to speak of.

https://danieldteolijrarchivalcolle...1/23/common-sense-gun-control-from-the-1960s/

 

I'd get out of Beirut, before I lived like that. Has it ever occurred to you there are better places to live in America, where you don't have to walk around with a gun? You are only protected by carrying a gun by the state of mind you imagine. You could be attacked without warning with your family present, just because you look like someone the perp doesn't like and a fist fight could get very deadly, because you brought a gun to the scene. It only takes one punch to piss somebody off and two men fighting get pissed. The imaginary scenario where you are victorious with carrying your gun could actually be you living long enough to bury members of your family, knowing your choices caused it.

Try this as a suggestion. If you live in Beirut and can't change it, get out and bitch to the police and politicians enough so they will know how screwed up that place is. There is no good reason you can't live in America without needing a gun. Those places exist and we sure aren't going to live your way.

 

By pulling the trigger once every 44 seconds.

I like how you tried to use math there. A for effort.

 

What shotgun will allow you to shoot 44 rounds in 32 seconds?

 

You can easily shoot literally any shotgun once every 44 seconds while enjoying a tasty beverage at the same time.

That math thing didn't work out so well for you, did it.

Ah you changed it on me. You originally said 32 minutes.

 

I don't understand, you mention how unsecure my property just has to be. I explain that various valuable improvements make it so that I have sufficient security to maintain my safety and you claim I'm in the middle east now?
I wouldn't want to live in a place where someone could take a sawzall to a wall and easily penetrate my home, or in a space where simple glass is all that protects my family and possessions.

Its suburban, on the edge of rural, Texas. Its rather safe actually, and we work hard to keep it that way by not being easy targets.

No one asked you to live my way, you're not required to have a gun and no one will make you. You on the other hand wish to make me live like you, with all the insecurity you mention. No thank you, I'll keep my rights.

 

It's shooting 44 times in 32 seconds, so stop drinking so much.

I could probably do that rate with a pump shotgun, but I doubt they even make an external magazine shotgun that could do it with less than 44 shots.

 

Uh huh.

 

Did you not watch those vids I linked?

 

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