Finland’s leaders call for NATO membership ‘without delay’

I said former Catholic nations, the hatreds go back 1,000 years with the split in the Churches and the incursions of the Pope on the Orthodox land.

I don't see the Swedes, Finns, Germans, etc. under the Moscow patriarch, but just the names Ruthenians, Russyns, etc. being under the Pope, tells you exactly who the aggressors were and who was moving into whose lands.

If you're talking about the Soviet Union, well you're forgetting that it was just another Western ideology formed during the Western Enlightenment, by a Western German/Jew called Karl Marx, that was imposed on Russia by Lenin and Western bankers and killed and imprisoned the Russian people for 70 years.

And if you believe that Russia will ever allow a repeat of it with the World Economic Forum and its Great Reset and its liberal New World Order controlled by Western mega corporations - which is nothing more than a precursor to a one world government, then you're living in a dream world.

 

Seriously. Stop playing the victim. You sound like the Goebbels trying to argue that Germans were the victims and Jews were the bad guys. Its absurd.

 

Well, Jeanette, in a real sense, we've all lived with the possible 'threat' of nuclear war all our lives (if born after August 1945).

That notwithstanding, I don't honestly see how Finland will be "encircled" by anything Russia does in Murmansk... indeed, if anything, in that region Russia would be butted-up against Norway (NATO member), Finland, and, directly over the pole, the U. S. and Canada.

And I still believe that if things don't go Russia's way in Ukraine, their Chinese allies may decide to 'crawfish' on Putin and decide to seize everything east of the Ural Mountains, along with the oil and gas fields all the way west to the Caspian Sea. As bizarre as that seems, ask yourself, "Who would try to stop them...?" Not NATO... not Iran... not India... not Pakistan. Today, Russia is a pariah, and it has done this to itself!

 

Excuse me, wasn't Finland aligned with Nazi Germany, and didn't Germany exterminate 20 million Russian civilians with its 'Barbarossa' to acquire more living space? Maybe you should start looking at things from a more accurate perspective.

Like for instance this perspective. It's an Azov neo Nazi posing with missiles with the inscription: All the best for your children. (Greek translation)

These attacks on Donetsk civilians and infrastructure have been going on for 8 years.

 

Your boy Stalin attacked Finland 2 years before Barbarossa, and Germany did not help Finland at that time, and Germany had not started WW2 yet. The Winter War was totally uncalled for, as are the current atrocities in Ukraine.

 

Translated from Russian:

Fake 5: "Shells for the children of Donbass"

The topic of "premeditated killing of children by punishers" was continued by "representative of the people's militia" of the LPR "Andrei Marochko.

He published a photo, which allegedly shows a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, posing against the backdrop of shells with the caption "All the best for children."

"These are the inscriptions that soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine make on the shells before shelling. They write "All the best to the children," and then they fire these shells at residential areas and kill children, women, the elderly and other civilians. Explosive shells, death and fire - that's what is preparing Nazi Ukraine to the children and all the people of Donbass ... Everything is ready for a big war and genocide, now only one order is needed from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine so that thousands of Nazis, like mad dogs, break free from their chains and rush to commit massacre in our peaceful cities! accompanied the picture with the text Marochko.

The same song was picked up by the Deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Leonid Slutsky the very next day. In his telegram channel, he wrote: “Kyiv is waging a fratricidal war, sending shells with inscriptions “To the Children of Donbass” into the southeast of Ukraine.

At the same time, the "murders of children" by the Ukrainian military were again discussed in the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. Another case was opened there due to the death of a 17-year-old and the injury of a 16-year-old teenager as a result of an explosion on an explosive device in Slovyanoserbsk.

So, the Sledkom said that the Ukrainian military deliberately planted mines, on which the guys were blown up, in a city in the Luhansk region occupied since 2014. Like, the goal of the "saboteurs" was to damage infrastructure facilities.

"Representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations ... are actively using the tactics of mining territories in areas where civilian infrastructure facilities are located that are not military targets. Thus, the Ukrainian security forces planted mines in the area of Naberezhnaya Street in the urban-type settlement of Slovyanoserbsk," the Sledkom website says. .

Ukraine denies all accusations. After all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine steadfastly observe the ceasefire regime, do not shoot at settlements and critical infrastructure facilities. Russian hybrid troops are well aware of this - and use it. Therefore, they open fire from residential areas or under the cover of water supply stations, knowing that no one will shoot at them in response. This happened, in particular, at the end of March, when enemy snipers killed 4 hero warriors of the 10th OGSH Brigade near Shumy. Ukrainian sappers moved into place to clear the area near the water supply station, which supplies water to both government-controlled and non-government-controlled territories. Russian snipers opened fire on them from the station.

https://incident.obozrevatel.com/cr...relskih-fejkov-rossmi-ob-ukrainskoj-armii.htm

 

Its official. Finland has signed the formal NATO membership application.

 

Now to deal with stupid Erdogan.

 

He'll get out of the way. He just wants assurances that FIN/SWE won't support the anti-Turkish radicals. I didn't know they were supporting them in the past, but its possible Turks consider any support for Kurds as support for terrorists,

 

I'm sure if one shows him some $$$....he'll change his mind.

 

Dwarfstan will have hemmoroids....

 

We would never allow nuclear missiles along our border, and especially if their intent was not purely defensive but to destroy us - as many in Washington have stated towards the Russian Federation. According to the Saker, Russia unlike us doesn't make idle threats. They consider it a weakness and they did say that if Nato bases are installed in Finland they will attack and it will be nuclear.

It means nothing, because Russia sees its survival at stake and will use nuclear weapons.

First of all there is no way that Russia can be defeated in Ukraine. The war was won a long time ago when Russia bombed and destroyed almost 3 thousand Ukrainian military installations. Yesterday Russia bombed the latest arms shipments next to the Polish border as well as the men who were being trained in one of their largest attacks of the war.

Military experts said that normally to invade a nation with a fortified army the size of Ukraine's, Russia should have entered with 800 thousand men, and yet they entered with only 100 thousand and are now in complete control of almost all the Donbas - an area larger than France.

Of course they had a sympathetic population living there, so it really wasn't an invasion force, but rather a liberating one and that does make a difference.

As for China, they know that if the US was to defeat Russia, they will be next, so if anything, they will never allow it. This is why they refused to go along with the sanctions, and have said so as well.

As for being a pariah, well most of the world holds the US as a pariah nation, so that view of Russia and especially Vladimir Putin as being a pariah, is held only by the US and its appendages such as the EU, Anglosphere and Japan. Those are the only countries where the lies and propaganda networks are able to control our thoughts and minds. People don't trust us elsewhere - and with good reason.

As for the other 78% of the world, they've been waiting a long time for Russia to assert itself and destroy the petro dollar to stop our war machine.

In the meantime, the EU is self destructing economically by going along with the US and imposing more sanctions on oil and gas. One has to wonder if its deliberate and part of the Great Reset so that businesses can be bought up by the mega corporations? I have my suspicions.

Anyway to cover up their own actions, the EU is putting the blame on Russia of course. Oh well, what else is new. Soon they'll be blaming Russia for not having enough wheat and food to eat - even though they're the ones who sanctioned Russia's grains and fertilizer.

As for Russia, well 78% of the people in the world support them so Russia is doing just fine - as are the friendly nations who are getting their grain and fertilizer at a very low price.

 

Durandel - Oh so the Ukrainians haven't been hitting civilian areas for the past 10 years. Tell us another one.

 

Anyway, this if from the Greek Saints - and they have been very accurate:

As long as Erdogan is in office regardless of his parties constant threats on Greece, Cyprus and the islands in the Aegean, there will not be a war. When he falls, then those who are in power will try to correct his mistakes and attack Greece. After that they will foolishly close the straits and Russia overnight will become an enemy.

I don't want to go into the rest, but Turkey will cease to exist and will become Kurdistan - that is except for Constantinople and the parts that will return to Greece and Armenia according to the Treaty of Sevres.

 

We'll see. I really don't expect this to pan out.

 

Yours is, as usual, a well-considered and candid reply... and I can honestly sympathize with some of Russia's rationale for being frustrated and angry at 'the West's' refusal to enforce the Minsk Agreement(s). And, Russia had the wherewithal to support the creation and subsequent recognition of independent states in Luhansk and Donetsk... precisely because Kiev refused to implement those Minsk Protocols. Most of the world would have simply 'looked the other way', truthfully....

BUT, when Putin ordered the wanton, unbridled destruction of entire Ukrainian cities and the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent civilian populations, he went WAY too far!

Russia has completely wrecked any credibility it had with the civilized, non-Russian world, Jeanette, and the best course Russia has now is for Vladimir Putin to step down.

**** Back in 2004, after the Beslan school massacre by Muslim terrorists, I had hopes that we and the Russians could form a partnership, working together to rid the entire world of radical, violent Islam. Now, sadly, it is evident that the most violent, destructive force in the world is actually Russia.... ****

 

Relax... all Erdogan really wants is for everybody to pretend they don't notice when he decides to massacre several hundred more Kurds. It's his periodic amusement... kind of like porn is for some people....

 

But it's not the Russians that are destroying the cities, it's the Ukrainian forces and they are under orders by Zalensky and his handlers so they could throw the blame on Russia. It's a repeat of the false flag chemical attacks in Syria, the Novichek poisonings, etc., etc.

I can't understand how lying and deceiving the America people and making them believe white is black and black is white will help them steal Russia's wealth like they did in the 90's. The Russian people are not stupid, they trusted Washington once, and that was it. Never again!

THE DECEIVER​

I specialize in lies
for I'm super wise
and I know that by doing so.

I can easily confuse you
with some kind of ruse,
so you'll think that you're in the know.

And when thus deceived
by what you've received
from me through my immoral state.

And your passions run high
from me and my lies
and I filled you with malice and hate.

Then I'll know that I've won
and my harm has begun
and what happens is bound to astound.

For all chaos will start
as the world falls apart
and crumbles with few to be found.

- Jeannette​

 

79301"]Its official. Finland has signed the formal NATO membership application.



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And it's death warrant! I hope you're happy with that. I'm not?

 

But, WHY would Kiev's government deliberately wreck so many of its own cities with such profound devastation? Why would it allow so many of its people to be carted off to Russia in captivity? Why would it allow so many millions of its people to undergo an agonizing migration to other countries just so that they could be safe from being killed? It simply doesn't make much sense that Ukrainian oligarchs, the EU, or even NATO would find anything beneficial in that... but Russia? Russia has suffered nothing! Russia has had everything to gain... in theory.

Everything I have heard from a particularly well-placed friend of mine in Germany suggests that by the first of this year, the Ukrainian oligarchs were reconciled to the reality of having to give up the two Donbas provinces, allowing them to pass under de facto Russian suzerainty.... Remember in late January of this year how Ukrainian government officials, including Volodymyr Zelenskyy, were actually trying to downplay the likelihood of hostilities with Russia, including a Russian invasion of Ukraine itself...?! Link: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/ukrainian-president-downplays-imminent-invasion-00003219 How does that fit into a narrative that Ukraine wanted to destroy itself and kill its own people? I just don't see the logic of that argument, Jeannette.

If there really were to be a nuclear conflict between NATO and Russia, you may want to reflect on the likelihood that by taking out (OUT) two metro areas, Moscow, and St. Petersburg, an adversary would have essentially destroyed the command-and-control centers of the entire Russian Federation. Russia has a strictly top-down command structure... cut off the 'head' and you've rendered the rest of the 'creature' unable to do anything beyond launching all missiles blindly and then hiding in the underground bunkers. Russian field commanders do nothing on their own... they must get guidance and permission from "HQ" first....

NATO, on the other hand, suffers from having too many unofficial command-and-control centers, distributed throughout its membership. Too many self-annointed 'experts', with different standards for participation and accomplishment, speaking too many different languages. BUT, if pushed to the extreme limits, they would reluctantly act as one, and Russia would essentially find itself countering power-centers ranging from all the way from London to Ankara. Advantage? NATO!

Putin needs to step away and retire now, and let the other Russian oligarchs and the highly-interwoven Russian governmental bureaucracy bring this thing in Ukraine TO AN END, for everyone's benefit! The Donbas provinces can still be independent, and Russia could keep Crimea. Kiev would keep solid control over everything west of the Dnieper River, and within a year or two, everything would be well on the way to getting more-or-less back to 'normal'.... Or, Russia can go on with this current strategy and risk having more trouble than it ever dreamed of, and perhaps, as I have suggested, even with CHINA!

 

Give it a rest man. NATO expanded what, 15 ****ing times after it signed a mutual security agreement with Russia in 1997. 1997!!!!

NATO IS . It's nothing more than the US military contractor's tool to instigate conflicts so they can cash in....as well as provide kickbacks for the sorry ass corrupt politicians that go along with all these military adventures. It is NOT defensive.

Just what the **** do you expect Russia to do? Get dumped on for decades while THEY were the rational ones wanting mutual peace agreements.....LIKE THE ONE THEY HAVE WITH FINLAND SINCE WW2 THAT FINLAND IS ABOUT TO BREAK, WHICH IS NOTHING BUT AN OPEN ENDED DECLARATION OF WAR. Oh, did you folks not know about the perpetual peace agreement with Finland?

You want to talk credibility of the US vs Russia? Exactly who is arming and training out right NAZIS in Ukraine? It damn sure ain't Russia. Exactly who armed terrorists in Syria to overthrow the most Western-friendly leader in that part of the World? Provided those terrorists with munitions? Food? Well it damn sure wasn't Russia.

I'm sick and damn tired of hearing this hypocritical BULLSHIT.

The biggest mouths opining about Russia on this board don't know much about Russia, that's for damn sure. It's actually quite pathetic.

Now let's just take a gander from Russia's position, shall we? For the last 8 years, ethnic Russians (and non-Russians) have been being slaughtered in the Donbass. Did any of you say jackshit? Nope. And who is doing the slaughtering? ****ing Nazis. Self-proclaimed descendants of WW2 Nazis. Waffen SS.

And what happened the last time Russia let Nazis come to their borders??? They lost over 20 million people. 20 ****ing million. So you folks just think they are gonna idly sit by after they've been spit on for decades by the West? Breaking word after word, treaty after treaty? After the WEST is training and arming ****ing NAZIS on their border??

I think the Russians understand more what the hell is happening there than the West....which is now ran by woke retards.

The 'credibility' that is wrecked is that of the collective West. It's total dogshit.

We shouldn't have ever messed with the shithole of Ukraine in 2014 and we shouldn't have been there ever since. This war is the West's making, and I for one hope the Ukies get everything they damn well deserve.

 

Hi Bill....still pi$$Ed over your lost investment?

 

Do the Russians have a case stating the above before the United Nations right wow? Have they ever brought such a case?

If they have then why didn't they prosecute it? As they have agreed to do as UN signatories for some years

You are NOT allowed to wage an aggressive war in the modern world. That goes back to Nuremberg. Wars always have "causes". You are NOT supposed to invade people just because you can.

 

Watching Billy lose it is fun. A head full of lies and some busted investments. Too funny.

 

It sounds like their death would make you very happy.