Fire can't melt, bend, and warp steel?

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  1. Brother Jonathan

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    Thanks for that link to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth.

     
  2. Perilica grad Ameriku

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    Nice dodge. Too bad nobody is fooled by it.
     
  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    haha

    you think thats "natural" corrosion huh?

    you cant get that much "natural" corrosion in 50,000 years much less 50 years. Better not quit your day job!

    That and anyone can see that is not natural corrosion, that is targeted sulfurization and the unatural corrosion is due to some form of heat treatment

    Hell many of them are simply vaporzied

    good luck selling that bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

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  4. Ronstar

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    please stop trolling
     
  5. Kokomojojo

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    ]There was exactly zero thermite or thermite residue found anywhere in the debris of the WTC.

    but thats a lie, why lie?

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    There was no melted or molten steel found anywhere in the debris of the WTC.

    but thats another lie, why lie? You just shoot yourself in the foot?

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    and as you can see from the tmperature chart its well in to molten liquid state

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    Fire didn't. Corrosion did.

    nothing in nature can corrode in that manner



    Well... ignoring the idiotic numbers you pulled out of your ass, the corrosion found in the debris of the WTC is not extraordinary. I gave you a paper to read. Go read it.

    Like you it makes grandiose presumptions and it Assumes facts not in evidence.


    Iron doesn't dissolve. It does, however, corrode

    Dissolve is a word used to describe its appearance that nothing in nature can accomplish
     
  6. Perilica grad Ameriku

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    Of course.

    And once again, Koko demonstrates that his ignorance regarding the physical sciences extends well beyond Newtonian physics into basic chemistry.

    The corrosion of the WTC debris took place at high temperatures and immersed in a solution of sulfuric acid. I have already provided a link to a white paper describing the completely ordinary chemistry that would cause that result in very short order.

    As to the rank ignorance of wild exaggerations like "you cant get that much "natural" corrosion in 50,000 years much less 50 years." Let's see...

    Here's what ordinary seawater at just above freezing temperature can accomplish after only 70.

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    Here's ordinary exposure to the elements for 40 years.

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    And here's a bridge exposed to nothing more than road salt over about the same amount of time.

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    You really have to stop just pulling stuff out of your ass.
     
  7. Wizard From Oz

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    You seem unaware the photo you are using has been color enhanced
     
  8. Perilica grad Ameriku

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    It is a simple, incontrovertible fact. No thermite or thermite residue was found. Period.

    Nope. There is no molten steel in that photograph. Whatever the melted metal is (almost certainly aluminum & lead) only a metallurgical analysis can identify what it actually was. And no metallurgical analysis has ever found any molten or melted steel in the debris of the WTC.

    The temperature chart tells us essentially nothing. Different materials show different colors at different temperatures, and impurities will change that scale for any metal. The bottom line remains that no molten or melted steel has ever been found in the debris from the WTC.

    Except of course the most easily corrodable of all major structural metals; iron.

    You never even looked at it.

    Nature dissolves things all the time. Iron is not one of them. Iron corrodes. And that's what we see in those photographs.
     
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    what about all the det cord needed for all that thermite/mate-magic firey pixie dust?
     
  10. Hannibal

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    Not to mention the stuff the crane is picking up isn't liquid.
     
  11. Wizard From Oz

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    Yeah I know - but baby steps lol. We can get into what would be happening to the machine later :)
     
  12. Kokomojojo

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    not me you!

    posting barnacles and organic growth on the titanic pretending its corrosion and a riveted piece of 12 gauge tin then trying to tell us that compares to 1/2 to 3/4" steel is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke and you should be embarrassed but I am sure you are not.

    your post is intellectually dishonest. What I have come to expect from OSHuggers trying to save their titanic.


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    see^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^thick stuff, not tin
     
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    again you are denying the data before you.

    the crane picked up iron that is solid at the top but at the bottom has nearly white hot steel dripping from it.

    More denial and intellectual dishonesty from the OSHuggers
     
  14. Ronstar

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    prove that this was iron.

    i never take Truthers' word for it
     
  15. Wizard From Oz

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    Sure while an honest truther would wonder why the metal was even hot after six weeks to begin with. But then that would need them to delve into evidence and chemistry and all that yucky stuff you can not see in youtube videos and color enhanced photos
     
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    prove that is wasnt, what do you think it was GOLD? LMAO

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    yeh its gets so intense its why its almost nuclear
     
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    Meanwhile back in the real world, we know why the material remained hot - Care to venture why?
     
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    These are barnacles:

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    Those were rusticles. A rusticle is a formation of rust similar to an icicle or stalactite in appearance that occurs underwater when wrought iron corrodes.

    None of the pictures were of tin. They were of forged steel, sheet steel and forged steel respectively.

    Tin (like aluminum) does not rust.

    It appears that every time you put fingers to keyboard you actually subtract from the sum total of all human knowledge.
     
  19. Perilica grad Ameriku

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    Don't have to prove it. You're the one pretending to have the magical superpower to perform metallurgical analysis based on photographs, so the burden of proof is entirely yours.

    As to what I think it was? Aluminum mixed with lead and tin. But without a metallurgical analysis, who knows?
     
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    so you have no actual evidence that it's iron.

    good to know.

    another self-debunked Truther claim. :)
     
  21. thecritta

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    Actually the OP is very wrong dead wrong a typical hydrocarbon fire such as typical office building fires
    cannot melt steel they can only weak bend and warp it.

    You would need a coke furnace to melt steel.

    LMFAO lol
     
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    Pictures or it didn't happen. (Still only. Stop trying to give people migraines with your idiotic gifs)
     
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    What evidence is there to avoid. Thermite does not cut sideways. Everybody knows that except presumably you[/QUOTE]Not quite true. I have made and taught the use of several kinds of thermite for sabotage and arson applications, including some that do cut sideways.

    All leave clearly identifiable chemical traces which the fire department. All leave nearly indestructible physical residue.

    A side-cutting charge is usually encased in a refactory shell of some sort. My favorite style involves painting a cast charge with linseed oil.

    You can duck tape it to a bridge.
     
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    But you are still not going to get the sort of cut truthers point to as evidence. Thermite reaction is always going to try and follow gravity
     
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    Yes, we do see the standing columns. Unlike you, we know that they are not steel above the mechanical floor that blocked the downward spread of the fire. They are concrete and in no way support your idiotic statements. That there is concrete still standing does not support your position, because even some very stupid people will know automaticly that concrete does not melt at the same temperatures as steel. Show me melted concrete and I will admit that you have proven the presence of thermite, because I have, myself, melted concrete using a shaped thermite charge.

    No, it is not impossible to collapse a steel building by fire. You can even collapse a concrete building, like the remaining structures of the Windsor Tower, but it takes an amazing amount of heat.

    But none of them are mentally well.
     

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