Firearm Training

Why are there so many 'bedwetters' so against firearms training being offered at schools with opt out allowed?

 

I don't know. When I was in high school, I attended a 'gun safety' elective course that the school offered. It was very good, and not one gun went crazy and shot up the school. It was geared towards the hunting sports, but focused on safety and the laws. I'm not sure if they still offer it, but it was an excellent course taught by the county sheriff's office.

 

Fine. Train the sods.

 

Same here, I remember handling guns in school without one single person freaking out and/or getting hurt physically or mentally. It was no different then handling any other tool.

I don't know how some people can get so terrified of an inanimate object, must be hard to go through life being that scared, shallow minded and all around incompetent.

 

Guns are as emblemic of freedom as the bald eagle. Just seeing a gun drives the statist Left nuts. And they can be quite emotional and flamboyant in their distress.

 

Agreed. So, to the point of the OP, why would they be against training and education of young people in the safe and responsible ownership of guns?

 

Just a guess, but if they must deal with people such as yourself, who treat them rudely and call them names, they probably choose not to. I sure wouldn't buy anything you're selling with a 'tude like that!

 

Awwww, victim status looks so good on you, you wear it well.

 

Are there so many? Don't they give reasons why they object when they do? Why not ask them directly rather than throwing out a rather random question here?

I personally don't see any huge objection depending on the context and structure but I don't see why it would be necessary in school and I can at least understand why people might be concerned by the concept, even if their concerns were unfounded. Maybe if you spent a little less time coming up with "hilarious" insults, you could get some real answers (which, of course, presumes you ever really wanted any).

 

Dragging personal resentment contributes nothing to this thread.

 

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People who train with a gun and safely and legally arm themselves at home and abroad are less beholden to government and think more independently. Guns empower people to take control of a very important aspect of their lives, their personal safety. Speaking more broadly, the Left hates guns and gun training because guns are a mainstay against the swift and daring communist takeovers that happened in Russia, China, and other countries. It's far more difficult for government to establish the totalitarian rule the Left desires when the government doesn't have all the guns.

So paranoid is the anti gun Left, they even opposed the NRA's Eddie Eagle program in schools, teaching children how to respond if they come across a gun; to not touch it and to get the attention of an adult. You would think that nobody would be against such safety training, but Eddie Eagle has faced anti gun opposition everywhere it's been tried, simply because it's tied to the NRA. So if you're trying to make sense of these people, it's useless. They are strangers to rational thought.

 

Because such a class would properly educate young people as to the truth and facts about guns, gun safety, hunting and the gun culture that the leftist oppressives would likely lose the uninformed or low information voter at a time when they can ill afford losing more ground on the "gun" issue.

Three cheers for being informed and educated!

 

Because the gun issue is not about the gun, but about the leftist oppressives agenda of power and control over others. As history has proven, its far more difficult to implement tyranny when the people are able to defend themselves.

 

Quiet now, adults are talking.

 

Yes. Thanks for your support.

Any public forum has the potential to do something useful. A reasonable and calm discussion can accomplish great things. Those who come here to scream and yell, but say nothing of consequence add nothing.

 

Sorry to inform you, but if you're the one calling people names like "leftist", then it's your camp that's against education and intelligence. And it's your party's leadership is the one that's pandering to the "low information voter".

And if someone like myself has to inform you of that, I'm again sorry to say that the "low information voter" is in fact you.

I live in a state with a rich in gun hunting. For decades, hunter safety training has been a rite of passage for young people who are ready to join their parents in the hunt. Right at the core of family values!

When the Republicans came to Wisconsin, it stopped being about family and hunting and culture. It suddenly became all about concealed carry and angry men who wanted the same privileges as an undercover police officer, and didn't want to learn how to be safe. Well, needless to say, anger and firearms is never a good mix! Cooler heads prevailed, and a training course was added to the requirement to get a CCW permit here. But it was the authoritarian right wing that was against that training requirement, not so-called "leftists".

 

The sheer absence of CCW related crimes and acts of irresponsibility militate against your claim that CCW carriers aren't safe. Every bloodbath the Left warned us about in the wake of emerging CCW laws didn't happen and you continue to float the red herrings. Moreover, CCW carriers want training requirements for added reciprocity when traveling state to state. Many states won't honor a CCW from a state that doesn't require training. So in every way, you're seizing upon a problem that doesn't even exist.

 

Where did you all go to school? I went to school in Western PA, deer hunting capital of the world practically, and we had no gun classes in any school.

 

I think ongoing gun training should be mandatory for every person who owns a gun. Even gun advocates admit proper gun handling is a perishable skill. It should be offered at school for every student who wants it, though they should not be allowed to own a gun ( (or especially, hunt, even with adult supervision) until over 21.

I have nothing against people owning and using firearms, but they should be required by law to know the dangers it entails and be monitored carefully to see they are using them safely. We have largely wiped out recreational flying in this country because of a false perception that all pilots really don't care if they crash their most valuable and usually most cherished possession to their own deaths into someone's house, yet we permit the type of gun ownership that allows the serious and violently mentally ill , as well as large professional crime organizations, to obtain what amount to instruments of mass destruction with little trouble and no monitoring or training whatsoever.

Oh, and this guy, should not teach the class

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-jTCNZSmY

 

Eastern NC for me, in the early 1980s. I have no idea if they still offer the course.

 

I would be in favor of proficiency tests for renewing my CCW. In my state, a mandatory gun safety and gun laws course, including a shooting proficiency test with your weapon must be passed, along with an extensive medical and criminal background check including full fingerprinting, before a CCW will be issued. I shoot every week, not because I have to, but because it's fun. I would venture to speculate that the vast majority of CCW holders practice regularly. CCW holders are not the problem. Large professional crime organizations do not generally purchase firearms at retail outlets because of the requirements stated above.

 

That's a very commendable position!

I praise your position because it's one of personal responsibility, and IMO should be held up as an example of the best that we can do for ourselves. I give you full credit for that. I'd also like to cite a more selfish motivation, if I may: prestige. People love a good competition, and having to work to a goal gives a lot more satisfaction than just having something handed to you. I'll tell you something, if I knew that part of purchasing a new firearm was to go through a brief "check-out" of my new purchase on the range, I'd get more excited about buying a new firearm. The pride and self-confidence that comes with demonstrating mastery of anything is a positive thing to me.

I grew up in Illinois, which as we know, is the only remaining state to ban concealed carry by ordinary citizens. This has created quite a cottage industry for sworn officers who get to make big money moonlighting in private security and other jobs that need concealed carry. Quite a racket! When I got my first FOID card (another thing unique to Illinois), it was a badge of honor, tangible proof that I could be trusted with firearms. I proposed to my state legislators that Illinois concealed carry, and suggested that those wishing to win a CCW permit could go down to the Illinois State Police training academy, and take the very same training and testing that the state police officers had to take and pass. That was a mighty high bar, and I wasn't certain that I could pass such a stringent test. But the honor of knowing that I was as well trained as the finest professionals in my state was a pretty good motivator.

Here and now, all I have to do for a CCW card is to take a 4 hour classroom course that has no range time whatsoever. For someone with decades of experience, it was a bit underwhelming. I'd welcome a Master Class CCW permit for the few with the skills and determination to pass a far more exhaustive test. For me, the prestige of holding a "gold card" would be reward enough, although I wouldn't be against some greater level of privilege for others who wanted it.

Another thing I'd like to say that I have yet to see a single CCW holder say is that I hope that I never have to take another human life in self-defense. If given the choice, I'd prefer to not have evil visit my door at all. To me a gunfight is a last resort. And I'll continue to try to improve my world working to a goal of nobody needing to defend themselves.

 

I've got news for you RC, the fact that "leftist" or "leftist oppressive" is an identity and not "name" puts you in no position to inform me of something you clearly know nothing about, but your typical leftist whining, blame game and claims of victim hood over this topic is duly noted. I'll never understand why you folks constantly feel compelled to provide examples of your ignorance-based arrogance... I for one have more than I can use.

 

Then I question the truth and validity of your "CCW" training and "decades" of experience. I have been a firearms instructor for "decades" and a student for several "decades" and EVERY course I have attended or taught is based on the color code of awareness and the avoidance of harm and having to use your firearm. I don't know a single CCW permit owner who doesn't operate under that code and the principle that we carry as it is "better to have it (gun/training) and not need it than to need it and not have it". The vast majority of CCW holders have NEVER had to even present their arms much less "take another human life in self-defense". Maybe that's why you haven't heard them make such an idiotic remark. We don't go around looking for trouble. In the real world, you don't "win" a CCW permit nor is bearing arms a "privilege". CCW holders are educated and understand the grave responsibility and liability that comes with carrying concealed. Your post is a load of bovine excrement.