Florida could shield whites from ‘discomfort’ of racist past

I do not know what "woke left" is telling the populist republicans, but the situation is what it is. Populist republicans believe that presenting themselves as victims of racism and their party as the savior is the path to winning the elections.

 

You have a side, but I don't, and therefore I do not support victim playing from either side. I find it ironic that the same people who spent so much time whining about culture wars, are suddenly "all-in" playing the same exact card they despised so long, and the cherry on the top us you trying to blame "the other side" for the things you are involved in.

Don't imitate them if you don't like it, and if choose to imitate, then own it, - don't try to blame others for your actions. If you are white and in the majority and want to take a crack at playing the victim, then have at it and we'll observe the results. It could work if enough whites identify with your misery. IMO most people do not wish to be seen as victims (weak) unless they are seriously oppressed, but in this case we are talking about some pretty silly things like "feeling uncomfortable" about hearing something.

 

I did not say that it is being taught in schools. I said that it has, and still does exist, "in our society." That is quite the bizarre metric you use, that you put so much emphasis on school curriculum-- which, don't get me wrong, I also believe is very important-- but apparently are not interested in the goings on throughout the rest of society...at least in this case.

It is my belief in the power of education to make a real difference, BTW, that leads me to be encouraging of the teaching of truth, in schools, over any apprehension about anyone possibly taking offense, or feeling "uncomfortable," with that truth, which is being conveyed.

 

With all do respect, you comment is nonsense. Part predictable and part not.

The predictable part is that you would claim you don't have a side. That's not even remotely plausible...you started this thread! I get the attraction of wanting to pretend to be on high, observing with amusement the squabbling partisans below. You're not the only one who tries to pull that. But you can't post for as long and as frequently as you do and not realize you are revealing who you are. I got...we all have the receipts. So I'm not buying your independent game.

The other part of your comment is just ridiculous. It boils down to if you don't like the culture wars, stop participating. Just let the other side win. Yeah that will show 'em. You forget, it's you guys, your team, that's the aggressor You should expect resistance. You certainly deserve it.

 

A bizarre metric? Maybe you're not aware of what this thread is about.

 

Whatever point you are attempting to make, seems to be lost on me, so perhaps you would be willing to speak more directly, and definitively? The implication of your words, as they appear to me, is that because this thread is about education, anything else in the society, in which that education takes place, is irrelevant to the topic. I would expect more than such a nonsensical argument, from you, which is why I assume that I am missing part of your meaning.

 

You found it odd that I was putting so much emphasis on school curriculum...that's what this thread is about. I don't understand why you are lost and why you don't think I've not been speaking directly. This was the original comment of mine that you replied to:

"I think you may feel differently if there was an ideology trying to worm it's way into our schools that intended to insult and degrade Black and Brown ethnic groups. And that's an interesting question. Why would you support insulting and degrading one ethnic group in school?"

Now this was your response:

"If you were unaware of this, there has been, and still is, in our society, an ideology, along with attitudes and practices, that are intended to, and which do, insult and degrade black & brown people, and go further, to discriminate against their ethnic groups, as well. It is interesting that this would both come as news to you, and/or that it does not seem to concern you, at least not as much as not having white kids hear about anything that white people did in the past, to oppress others. The point of this, BTW, is not to teach that any ethnic group is bad. It is to show how any group in power can abuse that power, through discrimination against others, because of superficial differences in appearance; this is to demonstrate how inhumane, harmful to society, idiotic, and just plain wrong that it is, in the hopes of lessening its occurrence, in the future."

My response to that?

"Could you describe this ideology and tell me which Florida schools it's being taught at? What reading material or training material is associated with it?

If you have the teachers names who are teaching this ideology that would be helpful.

Thank you."

This seems like a good place to start because I don't feel you answered this. This thread is about an ideology being taught in schools, you're warning about another ideology that you don't name or really describe...Is it being taught in schools? How does it relate to my comments? How does it relate to this thread?

So instead of speaking in vague generalities, why don't you tell me what you are talking about?

 

The primary point of education, is the effect it has on the society; the two cannot be regarded separately, as if they were not intrinsically connected. The greatest REASON for educating the youth about what has occurred in society, is, not surprisingly (to me, at any rate), the reality of both that society's past, and its present.

Your post depicts a greater concern with the sensitive feelings of the majority population's children, than with the biggotry experienced on a regular (if not even daily) basis, by the entire minority population, which goes far beyond just making them feel a little bit uncomfortable (by talking about not even them, personally, but only about people from the past).

I think my original post answers all those questions, though you, obviously, do not. To be completely clear, if you could not figure this out, I had been referring to RACISM. I strenuously disagree with the notion that the presence of racism in a society, is not central to any discussion over the teaching of the ills of racism, in that society's schools...

Call me crazy.

 

Yes, and assuming they provide information students can use to look at that period in our history.

You don't understand U.S. history if you're unfamiliar with white supremacy. Of course, it should be mentioned.

 

Banned from using it as part of instruction. Of course, kids can use the internet outside of school classes.

There is an unbelievable wealth of sources about every period of American history. It would be a shame if students lost access to it.

 

No, I'm talking about USING white supremacist ideology in their teaching, not teaching ABOUT white supremacy.

 

Banned from using the internet in school altogether, or just banned from accessing your banned teaching resources?

Absolutely, but how does the Florida law cause students to loose access to the internet?

 

Feel free to open a thread about me if that's your obsession.

As for your posts, - there is nothing to buy or reject since you stick to talking about posters and not the topic.

 

The teacher can't control what the student sees on the internet. CRT might come up, for example.

Schools will restrict access to the internet on school property or making use of internet sources as part of any assignment. Why? They don't want to be sued.

 

Should Asians have safe spaces to feel protected against racist Black people who HATE! and have a history of targeting, attacking and killing them simply because of their race and skin color

 

Sure, which would have nothing to do with the school unless it is THEIR content.

Why would they be sued?

 

I agree. It's like when somebody does something to hurt your feelings and you say "You hurt my feelings." and they reply with "I didn't MEAN to!" Well, it's irrelevant if they meant to do it or not. The fact is their words and/or actions caused someone else to feel hurt.

Personally, it astounds me that people are attacking and threatening people because they happened to work or volunteer at a polling place in the November 2020 presidential election.

Non-white people don't even live in the same country as white people in the US. They are regularly and systematically discriminated against in every facet of their lives. I was just attacked this morning for commenting in another thread about racism. Why is it okay to say these things and do these things and act like the target shouldn't be hurt by it?

How many times have we read that every single black or brown person that was shot by the police is "they disobeyed an order from a police officer." OK, let's go with that. Then why did the switch flip for Ashli Babbitt? She disobeyed a police officer but because the races were reversed in that shooting, she's the "victim". Officer Byrd's picture, badge number, home address, the names of his wife and children and where their kids go to school within 2 hours of Babbitt's shooting on a racist's blog and he was calling for that man to be hunted. That's clearly someone in his own department that leaked that information but it's our society that keeps wanting to lie and deny and gaslight these people while claiming this type of double-standard doesn't even exist!!!

They are told to stop "playing the race card" or "get over it, it wasn't racist" so they are victimized on both sides. They adamantly speak out that racism doesn't exist with mountains of evidence while completely accepting a total lie from our penultimate president with NOT a drop of evidence. And, why are parents, and spouses and children and friends of black and brown people told to "get over it" when someone they care about is killed by a police officer but we've been subjected to Trump's pity party nervous breakdown for over a year now. He wasn't even beat up or shot or killed by cop. Why is his "pain" any more significant than anybody else's pain? At least he's ALIVE to keep annoying those of us who aren't fans.

It doesn't matter how hard a non-white person works to achieve their goals. They are ALWAYS written off as an Affirmative Action hire. Trump is already sowing more seeds of crazy telling people that he might be subjected to racism because some of the people involved with the pending cases against him are not white. Why is it that non-white people are prosecuted by white people and it's allegedly fair but a worthless POS that has been a crook his entire life is now trying to play the race card? That's rich. His supporters having been b!tching about the time it takes to get the rioters' cases on the docket. Non-white people wait forever too. Is it okay to keep them locked up indefinitely but we now demand some kind of judicial adjustment when people that clearly have never been inside a prison or criminal court whine it's taking too long.

Just be honest. I'd rather we'd just say "yeah, it's not equal. Tough sh!t!" but don't do that kind of stuff and claim that every non-white person is imagining things. The life expectancy for non-white people is lower than it is for whites and a big, big contributor is the daily stress of systemic and overt racism. And, yet, somehow they are now upset that a few programs are being implemented to help non-whites and they want everybody to jump on their bandwagon and hold them tight during their pity party that 0.000.876% of something in our society favors non-white people. It's freaking unbelievable. Just unconsciousable.

 

What is concerning to me, is to hear you say that this forum's customary crap-flack, is getting to you, when it was formerly a point of pride, you'd told me, that you could roll with any type of response, deal with any attitude, without letting it bother or upset you. Have you had some rough days, recently? From some of the other parts of your post, I might suspect that your own worst pain had come, through your concern for others:

People are hypocrites.
And the betrayal of Officer Byrd, by a member of his own Department, I would imagine-- since I read your telling someone that you were once on a police force-- must have cut you to the quick.

Though your subjects are serious, the way you've phrased some things, has made me laugh; so thank you, for that.

You certainly laid down some truth, there. I hope that letting it out, delivered you some relief.

 

Some of your so called "truth" you speak of taught to grade school kids.

 

There are people suffering, people in need and people who don't want to be ****ed out of a vote. What is Florida doing? Not lifting a finger to help people who are suffering or in need, ****ing them out of their votes--AND WORRYING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE "UNCOMFORTABLE" with what's being taught i.e. censorship.

 

The law says they may be sued. Try reading the legislation.

 

I thought they said racism didn't exist and black and brown people make up fake stories. Or, is this another of the classic double standards?

 

Snowflake laws.......

Yes, there are bigger problems to tackle, but the governor believes the culture wars is the pathway to winning re-election this year. which is why he is "all-in" with them.

The story has evolved to a point where racism exists, but only when white people are the target. Its about "follow the leader". Trump calls all black people racist if they are critical of him and his loyalists follow suite. He called Cummings racist for no other reason that he is black and now the prosecutors investigating him are also "racist" because they are black. His son is doing the same thing.

 

This thread is making me uncomfortable. Please delete it.

 

So there can be no discussion about education unless it somehow relates to "about what has occurred in society?" That seems rather vague.

You know we're talking about CRT/Antiracism training right? To me, the issue isn't that it makes some kids uncomfortable but that there is no basis to believe that it's in anyway true, and it seeks to create division among people; about the last thing this country needs. Why do you want the schools to promote a divisive ideology?

I won't go that far, but I find it puzzling that you couldn't just have said racism instead of speaking so ambiguously. I'm not sure what the purpose of that was. In any case, the closest that the schools come to teaching racism is the CRT/Antiracism ideology, which you apparently support so...