For a change, how about an actual and honest discussion of Noah's Ark-

You can force verses to fit whatever lies you wish to use, that does not however, make you correct by any degree.

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"All of the waters" are not located on earth. Your verse is entirely irrelevant to modern science.

 

The historical records found narrated in the bible.

The bible is the best accurate historical narration found in the world.

Thanks to the bible it has been found that the current chronology of ancient history has 500 years of error.

Apparently historians based their ancient chronology on Manetho, an Egyptian historian who wrote words against Moses as a defrocked priest of the devil god Seth.By the way, thanks to the words of Manetho the recognition of the existence of Moses is validated. The hatred of Manetho against Israel could easily make him deny such a "biblical story" but he recognizes Moses as a former enemy of his people.

This ancient history error of 500 years was found by an independent scholar called Velikovsky. Velikovsky wasn't a historian nor a scientists and less an astronomer but a psychiatrist.

Reading his books, you will laugh of the orthodox historians and their "stories" justifying weird archeological findings

For example, Homer. According to historians this writer date of birth still has controversies, but their "rough calculations" made up to the 50's were of Homer living in 1200BC.

Velikovksy found that the style of writing in ancient Greek of the Iliad and the Odyssey was from 700BC. Then we have 500 years of difference between the assumed date of the Troy war and the writings themselves.

Even more, you read the book The Creators by Daniel J. Boorsttin, and you read what he says:

{QUOTE]...Then, about 1200 BC, in a rare example of lost technology, writing disappeared from the Greek mainland. Five hundred years passed before language was written again. Finally, around 700BC the Greeks adapted the Phoenician alphabet into a phonetic way of writing their own language...[/QUOTE]

There you have your missed 500 years even found in writing.

And, in order to explain how Homer lived in 1200BC and the Iliad and Odyssey wrote in 700BC. historians said that those Homeric narrations were passed generation thru generation for 500 years until "someone" wrote them in the new Greek language.

Now well, just calculate yourself with the following. The Fathers of the Country spoke the Constitution of the USA and a group of followers did the same for generations until today. So, 200 plus years later, "someone" decided to write the US Constitution online so everybody can read it. And you will expect "no errors" in the writing narration.

And, who the hell was or were the individual(s) preserving orally the Iliad and the Odyssey for 500 years? Lol.

Then, and of course, historians went against Velikovsky because he found as well that Ramses II wasn't the pharaoh of the Exodus, and that Ramses II was born 500 years later.

The prestigious and recognized David M. Rohl was one of the opponents of Velikovsky's writings.

But, several years after the death of Velikovsky, David M. Rohl published a book Pharaohs and KIngs. recognizing the 500 years error in the Egyptian ancient chronology. Ramses was born 500 years after the event of the Exodus,and pharaoh Dudimose was the most probable ruler when Moses took the Israelites out of Egypt. Plus, it has been made a television series of Pharaohs and Kings produced by The Learning Channel. Lol.

Take note that we are not talking of "religious historians", because Velikovsky himself was an atheist.

Velikovsky in his several books show with undoubted evidence that many archeological findings didn't agree with the chronological age made by orthodox historians. Several Egyptian tombs of rulers were found with funeral vases and ceramic that belonged to a style 500 years behind. The explanation of the orthodox historians still is completely ridiculous. They claim that "probably" the family and servants took those funeral decorations from an older tomb to placed them in the new funeral tomb, ignoring in purpose that Egyptians were superstitious and curse should fall on them if looting tombs.

Several cities which historically are catalogued from a certain year for their destruction, are found with pottery, utensils, arms, and more, which belong to a 500 years era before their destruction.

In one opportunity Velikovsky was challenged about his translation of some clay ancient Babylonian tablets. Velikovsky kept silence, but he called his challenger to another debate. Velikovsky had the tablets and was ready to defend his translation. The challenger never showed up. When he was really very old, he was challenged again by a young scholar, but Velikovsky was old already, and it was not a confrontation but the young scholar running his mouth like crazy in the whole debate.

In former years, Velikovksky has been challenged by several people, even a book was published, Scientists confront Velikovsky, and you will see how great was the effort to put him down at all cost. This was a case of an atheist using the Bible to reform the whole chronology made by orthodox historians.

In other words, regardless of the causes that Velikovsky assumes for the changes in history eras (like planet Venus causing the worldwide catastrophe when passing close to earth) the chronology made by Velikovsky based on the biblical historical records is way more accurate than the ancient chronology made by orthodox historians.,

And today, the birth of Homer is considering in years with centuries more closer to 700BC. Historians, like David M. Rohl had no other choice but to retreat and modify their position.

So, if you lean on the biblical historical record you will find yourself with a knowledge based in the best and more accurate information about ancient history.

So, I stand with the historical records and their chronology. They have proved to be accurate while your hundreds of thousands of years and millions of years are nothing but another error inherited by you from those orthodox historians who are "missing" not only 500 years as in the case presented to you with Homer and the Exodus, but are also out of touch with reality when they calculate superfluous amounts of years for historical events that happened barely just a few thousands years ago.

My base foundation is proven to be valid.

Now, it is your turn to demonstrate in base of your "scientific argument" how the hell you are defending those hundreds of thousands of years, those millions of years given by orthodox historians. Show how you are measuring those years of history. Be as accurate as the biblical records are.

 

Where is Pangaea mentioned in the Bible?

 

There you have your missed 500 years even found in writing.

And, in order to explain how Homer lived in 1200BC and the Iliad and Odyssey wrote in 700BC. historians said that those Homeric narrations were passed generation thru generation for 500 years until "someone" wrote them in the new Greek language.

Now well, just calculate yourself with the following. The Fathers of the Country spoke the Constitution of the USA and a group of followers did the same for generations until today. So, 200 plus years later, "someone" decided to write the US Constitution online so everybody can read it. And you will expect "no errors" in the writing narration.

And, who the hell was or were the individual(s) preserving orally the Iliad and the Odyssey for 500 years? Lol.

Then, and of course, historians went against Velikovsky because he found as well that Ramses II wasn't the pharaoh of the Exodus, and that Ramses II was born 500 years later.

The prestigious and recognized David M. Rohl was one of the opponents of Velikovsky's writings.

But, several years after the death of Velikovsky, David M. Rohl published a book Pharaohs and KIngs. recognizing the 500 years error in the Egyptian ancient chronology. Ramses was born 500 years after the event of the Exodus,and pharaoh Dudimose was the most probable ruler when Moses took the Israelites out of Egypt. Plus, it has been made a television series of Pharaohs and Kings produced by The Learning Channel. Lol.

Take note that we are not talking of "religious historians", because Velikovsky himself was an atheist.

Velikovsky in his several books show with undoubted evidence that many archeological findings didn't agree with the chronological age made by orthodox historians. Several Egyptian tombs of rulers were found with funeral vases and ceramic that belonged to a style 500 years behind. The explanation of the orthodox historians still is completely ridiculous. They claim that "probably" the family and servants took those funeral decorations from an older tomb to placed them in the new funeral tomb, ignoring in purpose that Egyptians were superstitious and curse should fall on them if looting tombs.

Several cities which historically are catalogued from a certain year for their destruction, are found with pottery, utensils, arms, and more, which belong to a 500 years era before their destruction.

In one opportunity Velikovsky was challenged about his translation of some clay ancient Babylonian tablets. Velikovsky kept silence, but he called his challenger to another debate. Velikovsky had the tablets and was ready to defend his translation. The challenger never showed up. When he was really very old, he was challenged again by a young scholar, but Velikovsky was old already, and it was not a confrontation but the young scholar running his mouth like crazy in the whole debate.

In former years, Velikovksky has been challenged by several people, even a book was published, Scientists confront Velikovsky, and you will see how great was the effort to put him down at all cost. This was a case of an atheist using the Bible to reform the whole chronology made by orthodox historians.

In other words, regardless of the causes that Velikovsky assumes for the changes in history eras (like planet Venus causing the worldwide catastrophe when passing close to earth) the chronology made by Velikovsky based on the biblical historical records is way more accurate than the ancient chronology made by orthodox historians.,

And today, the birth of Homer is considering in years with centuries more closer to 700BC. Historians, like David M. Rohl had no other choice but to retreat and modify their position.

So, if you lean on the biblical historical record you will find yourself with a knowledge based in the best and more accurate information about ancient history.

So, I stand with the historical records and their chronology. They have proved to be accurate while your hundreds of thousands of years and millions of years are nothing but another error inherited by you from those orthodox historians who are "missing" not only 500 years as in the case presented to you with Homer and the Exodus, but are also out of touch with reality when they calculate superfluous amounts of years for historical events that happened barely just a few thousands years ago.

My base foundation is proven to be valid.

Now, it is your turn to demonstrate in base of your "scientific argument" how the hell you are defending those hundreds of thousands of years, those millions of years given by orthodox historians. Show how you are measuring those years of history. Be as accurate as the biblical records are.


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Manetho wrote about the expulsion of the Lepers, but his writings disappeared long ago.. Where did YOU read them?

 

Fixed for 'ya...yer welcome.

 

Better in what sense? Better for your manipulation of an ancient text in an effort to modernize it when it was clearly never meant to be interpreted in the way you claim it should be? Even with your manipulation of the text, it still doesn't make sense. Your efforts make the story even more convoluted. Of course you choose the vaguest meanings of the words so you can claim that the text says whatever you want it to.

 

Ding, ding, ding. That's exactly why your interpretation is bogus like the rest of them.

 

I knew you were being sarcastic, but at the same time, magic is at the heart of the theist belief in creation by an omnipotent being. He just poofed everything into existence.

Because it's illogical and makes no sense. You can use logic in your arguments or you can stick to the magic stuff, but if you're going to use logic, you can't pick and choose where logic is allowed to be applied and where it isn't. If we're going to use logic, then your creator needs a creator and so on and so forth, down an endless chain of creators. Saying the universe needs a creator but god doesn't is one reason religion is losing it's influence. It just doesn't make any sense and practically assumes the person who's supposed to believe it possesses too little intelligence to see the obvious fatal flaw in the argument.

It is not me who presumes to know anything. You're making up a God who exists outside of the material world and then making up the rule that he doesn't need a creator. You're making it up. Well not you specifically, it was made up a long time ago when people didn't have a choice of knowing better, but you do and you're perpetuating it anyway.

Uh oh, I guess I better back off because I wouldn't want to suggest Lawrence Krauss is wrong. That would be sacrilege!

Lawrence Krauss has no more of an idea than anybody else. His theory is essentially the same as your theory, it just skips the step of having a pre-existing omnipotent intelligent deity by saying that the universe itself came from nothing, not the God you say created it.

Me? I don't have a frickin clue what existed before the big bang. Neither do you. Neither does anyone. I just don't feel the need to make up gods to fill in the blanks and then expect other people to take my attempts at masking my own ignorance seriously. I'm content with saying "I don't know" because there's literally no way I can know.

 

You have a habit of taking texts out of context and reinterpreting them quite liberally, or I suppose really just borrowing someone else's creative reinterpretations..

Gen 6:3-7 (New International Version)

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years."

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created--and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground--for I regret that I have made them."

I don't think Neanderthal in particular fits this story very well, since it's about humans in general mixing with the "sons of God," who are also called "the heroes of old, men of renown." I think you're reinterpreting this text without any historical context and relying on an unclear modern translation of the text to interpolate it as you see fit. Shame on thee.

 

Great. A person says that he witnessed a crime, the body of the dead man was taken in a car when his bleeding wasn't enough to run on the floor. You, as an investigator ask for details. He gave a description the best as he can.

You find no traces of tires in the black pavement of the street after other cars have passed by. You find no leftovers of the skin dust coming from the victim. You find nothing.

Then, you conclude that what the witness said is a lie, and you demand from him to show "scientific evidence" of his statements.

And you get offended when I call clowns to many opponents of the biblical narration... Lol...

Very recently, a tsunami happened and erased completely everything that was in the shore. No people, no houses, no nothing. The picture in the news showed a solitary beach after the tsunami. The article said that no records at all were left that people were living close to the shore.

This is how the biblical flood was,as the bible explains it., it wasn't just rain falling from the sky. It was a rupture of land causing water and vapors going up to the sky, and causing as well earthquakes and tidal waves (tsunamis).

See? Such infantile idea of the biblical flood as "rain falling from the sky as water from the shower" is laughable.

It is a fact that those "flying reptiles" were birds already. The T-Rex was a gigantic chicken. By decay of the species, the former ones were losing lots of characteristics, they have lost their hundreds of teeth they used to have before into a sole beak with unnoticeable teeth. Many lost their arms, like T-Rex shows the middle step of this losing of physical characteristic- and their fleshing tail.

Of course your findings are correct and are the imminent evidence that species degenerate only.

Oh yeah? Look, Pangaea was completely different than today's world. After the split of its parts, the new lands pushed land on their way causing the rapid formation of mountains when found resistance. You can verify it by the view of the chains of mountain alignments.

Upheavals will remove the former "skin" of earth; like the sneak changing skin. After years, rain, wind, earthquakes, so forth, will scatter more the residuals of the former layer which prevailed right after the flood. If Pangaea never split, then you should have a continent without high mountains thousands feet over the water surface as today, and you should find the sediments you are looking for. But, when new mountains were born, the former sediments were removed.

Just analyze the sediments in the new volcano that was born in Mexico in the 1940's.

http://www.mexonline.com/paricutinvolcano.htm

This volcano removed the "old sediment", no doubt about it, new land from down came up. And it has reached hundreds of feet in a few years. No millions of years but barely a few years.

Definitively your ideas of millions of years for formation of mountains and more are out of touch with reality. There is also a record of the birth of an island that happened in one day.

Try to find the biblical sediments in that island... lol

Lets wait then for your famous factual evidence.

And, the bible is not a scientific hypothesis as the event of the American revolution is not a scientific hypothesis. Both are historical records.

Again, I am giving the historical records of the bible. You want to test their veracity, unfortunately you yourself lack of tools to demonstrate scientifically that the biblical narration is in error.

Lack of sediments mean the first example given to you in this message. Read my first paragraph.

Your attempts to invalidate the biblical narration are scientifically vain because you lack of verifiable methods of measure.

Prove with a different validated method that the earth is 14 billion years old. Compare both methods and their data. Come back with the validation.

Only after that, you will finally be in position to attempt challenging the biblical narration.

You must validate your method of measure, otherwise you are talking peanuts.

There is nothing wrong calling "clown" to any scientist who claim the biblical narration wrong about the creation of vegetation, animals in general and humans in specific, when scientists lack of evidence of any process from micro-organisms into macro-organisms specially using the theory of evolution as their guide. And it is clear that you don't have the answer and your intentions are of deviating my words as offensive just because you can't provide the required evidence.

I don't care in what world you live in, here you were asked for evidence and I don't see any. What is going on?

I live in the world of reality, and I demand evidence. You can't provide it.

The problem in your argument is finding layers that have been removed and scattered by the partition of Pangaea. A tsunami will erase everything, and tsunami is expected when the earth shakes, and the earth shakes when water from underground comes out by pressure means, like volcanoes do.

Your imagination implies rain causing a flood, but the bible narration implies more than just rain. The Hebrew word "Mabul" implies devastation, which implies as well strong forces destroying everything. One thing if you taking a long shower for two hours and a different thing is pouring huge barrels of water from high levels over you. The shower won't hurt you, but the continued strong tsunamis will put you down.

Do you know that a croc dinosaur was found almost over the surface of ground? Why the fossils of this animal was found over the surface while others are found deep underground?

Where are your "ordered layers"?

I truly think that "geology" is not your world.

Your fixed geology stinks. In order to vindicate your geology you must explain how a croc dinosaur was found over the surface and not deep underground. After that, I want you to apply the same explanation to the worldwide geology.

And finally, after that, you will find that your ordered layers everywhere in the world is just a myth.

Where are you digging at? How not calling clowns to a group of geologists who travel to the far away desert area in the world in order to find "the oldest rock of the world", as if being away from human civilization means "ancient". ?

Excuse me, but I can't find a better description for those geologists because their silly imaginations.

Your misunderstanding of the event itself is what makes you be in error.

Stop looking for a flood evidence and start looking for evidence of a tsunami instead. Good luck with that.

Bible believers don't have to prove historical events. Such is the job of geologists, historians, scientists.

You -geologists/archeologists- claim upheavals to justify some archeological findings of species assumed to have lived millions of years ago. But, you don't apply the same upheavals when is about the after events of the biblical narration of the deluge.

I think that bible believers are OK while your opinions are double standard.

 

Oh my. Where are you getting this from?

http://ggreenberg.tripod.com/Manetho/w-man-chap1.htm
In the third century B.C., an important and influential Egyptian priest named Manetho wrote an account of his country’s history. It contained a wealth of information about ancient Egypt and included a chronological record of all Egyptian kings from the beginning of the first dynasty (c. 3100 B.C.) down to the conquest of Egypt by Alexander the Great in 332 B.C. Unfortunately, no extant copy of Manetho’s original manuscript has yet been found.

We do have three ancient texts—one from the first century Jewish historian Josephus, another from the third century Christian chronographer Africanus, and another from the fourth century Christian historian Eusebius—that claim to be based on Manetho’s history, but they are frequently and substantially inconsistent with each other in many respects and all three are often at great odds with the known chronological record for ancient Egypt.

Manetho’s history also had a strong influence on biblical studies. His long chronological history provided a potential anchor point around which dates for biblical events could be established, particularly with regard to the chronology of the Exodus from Egypt under Moses and the chronology of civilization after the flood in Noah’s time. In fact, Josephus’s identification of the Exodus with Manetho’s account of the expulsion of the Hyksos kings at the start of what would have been the Eighteenth Dynasty, deeply influenced centuries of biblical scholarship.

We should also note that because much of our development of chronology in the nations outside of Egypt, particularly in Canaan and Mesopotamia, depended upon chronological links to events inside of Egypt, Manetho was an early influence on our development of chronology in those other nations as well.

Now, Josephus was a Jew, so he would have had no qualms about believing in the events claimed in Jewish texts, such as the Exodus and the Flood. These things were "facts" in the minds of the Jews so long ago, no doubt even in the mind of this historian. It is no wonder, then, if he took a mention of the Hyksos by an Egyptian historian to indicate a mention of the alleged Exodus led by the legendary Moses as claimed by the Jews. But, the fact remains that there is no contemporary evidence for these legendary events or people (Moses and Noah), and that there are cognates of these characters in other mythical accounts of the period from other cultures. Further, there is no archaeological evidence for either the Exodus nor for a global flood as claimed in Genesis, or more specifically, in separate accounts that were later compiled into a single book that has come to be called Genesis.

 

There has to be over a thousand years between Manetho and Eusebius....

 

It's magic only if you think the natural world is the only world there is. If materialism or naturalism is true, then what is human consciousness? How do you physically prove that someone has a consciousness? You can't. quantum and meta science attempts to explain things that cannot be explained by natural or material science. God isn't a natural or material being. Just like consciousness, you'd have to explore other realms of science to understand his being.

But it's already been scientifically proven that the universe had a beginning. So, you can't say it always existed. The form of thinking as already been debunked. What us creationists are saying is that God was the force behind the creation of the universe. For that force to be identified, we first must understand that it has to exist outside of the known universe. For that to be the case, this force would need to be timeless (exist outside of time), spaceless (exist outside of known 3 dimensional space) and material-less (to not be made of any material matter of any kind). That force is what Christian theists call God. Muslims call it Allah, The Hindu may call it Shiva, etc. On the atheist side of things, they say that force wasn't there, and that somehow the universe just showed up totally uncaused. That doesn't make much sense for anything to just pop into being all of a sudden completely uncaused. If that were the case, then we'd see it happen more often, and we do not.

Enough about me for a second. What about you? How do you know this "God" doesn't exist? The truth is, you don't know, yet you scoff at it without any evidence whatsoever in which to do so. I can scoff at the Easter Bunny being real because I understand where the idea of the Easter Bunny came from. Same thing with Santa Claus. I understand where the idea originated. However, no one can say the same things about a being called God - for the concept of God originated since the dawn of mankind.

I have evidence that infers God's existence. You won't accept that evidence. The truth is, for every individual atheist out there, each have different criteria for which they will accept evidence provided to them. However, I believe that it's just as important to prove something exists as it is to prove that something does NOT exist. Making a claim and then suggesting that you don't need to back up that claim is silly. Otherwise, anyone can come along and reject everything and go completely unopposed.

When you say you don't have a clue, then that makes you agnostic when it comes to the existence of God. So, can I assume that you're agnostic?

 

wow!

Then, I have "my" link as well

http://theworldshistory.blogspot.com/2007/06/difficulties-of-dating-ancient-egypt.html

What about that?

Lets your link to fight with my link.

While the chronological list of kings appear to be correct, the archeological findings reveal that several of them lived in a different era that the one established by orthodox historians.

From the birth of Moses to his 80 years of age, about fourteen pharaohs were in power.

Fourteen pharaohs lived and died or their ruling was overtaken in 80 years of Egyptian history. The common teaching -even in the religious sector- is just one generation of pharaohs.

Today, the current archeological findingsare proving what it was thought before about Manetho's records, that they were based solely in oral transmission methods.

And about the Hyksos. These were Arabian conquerors who left their land and traveled to Egypt. There are records that they also saw the famous "dark cloud" over the desert in direction to Egypt. The biblical narration mentions the war between the children of Israel and the Hyksos which took place right after leaving Egypt. The Hyksos lost the war and continued toward Egypt. They found the empire in ruins and they took control of the government. According to records, they were sanguinary rulers, something that agrees with all their invasions made to other empires and nations, including India.

By hatred, Manetho confused the Children of Israel with the Hyksos. And this error was inherited by many for decades.

 

Which you then take and claim as evidence that the "Judeo-Christian God exists".

You conflate your sacred theology ("God is the God of the Bible")....with natural theology ("A supreme intelligent creative force caused the Universe to occur"....

and try to make them seem "the same". Which obviously they are not.

 

I'd also point out that our self-appointed "educator of atheists"......quickly ran away from the basic, logical questions asked in the OP...and immediately changed the subject to ground he was more "comfortable" discussing.

Excluding the dishonest innate in much of fundamentalist/literalist debate.....it shows a very basic intellectual dishonesty of somebody who can only "educate others"...

on pre-packaged talking points they feel at home using.

 

That's all well and good but you're still making it all up. It doesn't matter if there are other planes of existence because we can't access them or even have any evidence of their existence. This too is no different than any other attempt to fill in the blanks about something we simply can't know right now, if ever.

Again, you're making it all up. It's all guessing. You have no evidence to support your theory at all. You've gone and named the unknown God, not unlike people in the past. God must be on the ultimate Atkins diet though, because the things that make up what we don't know and attribute to God have slowly been disappearing, especially so in the 20th century with physics and astronomy.

I have no problem if you want to give the unknown a name, just as long as it doesn't make you want to keep it when it's no longer unknown.

If you can scoff at the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus because you understand where the ideas came from, you're already there man. Now the only thing holding you back is your emotional investment in your beliefs.

You don't have any such evidence and you know it. Disconnect the emotional attachment and all you have is the same thing every other person claiming to know God exists has. Nothing but hopes and wishes. And possibly dementia.

It's a pattern my friend. The things people said prove God exists have been disappearing as science has shown it's not God at all, but understandable physical properties. That pattern has continued since the first human being asked the first question. God is simply a way to fill in the blanks for some, a source of community for others.

I do not believe in God, which makes me an atheist. I simply don't accept that origin theory as having any sensible credibility. As to whether I'm an agnostic, I would assume so although it seems a bit moot since it doesn't really matter if I believe Gods can be known or not since none have actually ever made an appearance, ever, in any time period. I think before a person can even decide whether they are gnostic or not, they have to decide whether they even believe a God exists.

 

If I'm making all of this up, then please explain this video to me.
[video=youtube;As_tG_rxTaI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_tG_rxTaI[/video]

How can I be making it up with all of this evidence?

1) There's archeological evidence that shows Christianity is true (similar to the video above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdSExDE8EsU

There's even archeological evidence for Noah's Ark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ejQ7H2ZoY&list=PL8LGwKJUQXf6EZb9mLCspfFP Jzrgr_YQM&index=2

2) There's historical evidence agreed, even upon skeptics, that Jesus existed and that his tomb was indeed empty. There's even written eye testimonies of Jesus being alive after his death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYa_70-XL6Y&index=1&list=PLD19E118A03DC5F17

3) There's cosmological arguments that reference a strong possibility into the existence of God himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0&list=PL3gdeV4Rk9Ef6jhlYL-Pp1UwzvnL_kbqw&index=1

4) There's theological arguments as well, such as the fine tuning of the universe in which majority of scientists all believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA&index=1&list=PL9A91B68D2FB071C1

5) The hydroplate theory offers a better explanation for the geological state of the current world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q4bgm4uodo

6) The astronomical anomalies found by astral physicsts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEIV7k3v3Ns&list=PLphtLD0ePQ1azMe8NUi1BvWM OQKMeFR4-&index=6

7) The mathematical probability of evolutionary processes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai-DXFXZr8s

At your rate, nothing will convince you. God could leave a glowing turd in your front lawn with the word "GOD" written perfectly on it, and you wouldn't believe it. Its like what Goomba said once in these forums: God would have to physically show up in front of you to believe he exists. Period. You might as well stop lying to us and stop lying to yourself by telling the world how you aren't "convinced". There is not convincing you. It's impossible. Your brain tells you God exists, but you hope, with the bottom of your heart, that God doesn't exist. That way, you could feel free to do whatever you want to do. Hey, more power to ya.

 

So, lets' go through the first five of the claims from this video. Title is 40 archaeological facts that prove the Bible is true. First claim: The Bible mentions Rameses, and Rameses really existed... Okay... Second Claim: The Bible mentions Tirhakah, and Tirhakah actually existed. Man, I see where this is going. Third Claim: The Bible mentioned Hophra, and he existed....

Wow, we can stop here. Do you honestly think that The Bible mentioning real people somehow makes the entirety of the Bible true? Because that's what that video is stating. And that's a stupid assertion.

Some comic books mention real people, but that doesn't make comic books true.

Dude, this is the SAME damned assertion that we already debunked and you conceded to. That rock formation is NOT the Ark. Did you have a lapse in your memory or something?

Skeptics agree that Jesus existed, not that the tomb was empty.

There are no eye witness testimonies anywhere in the Bible.

Yeah, and they've all been rebutted a thousand times over.

Do some damn research, this has been debunked.

I know of no geologists that hold that this theory is true.

YouTube videos are not good sources. If I provided you with a ten hour video of rebuttals, would you watch through it? I sincerely doubt it.

Been addressed.

But seriously, this is just gish galloping again. You're throwing out argument after argument and hoping that something sticks to the wall.

 

Why should I respond to any of this when all of it is just your opinion?

 

Would that not suggest that no one here should reply to you?

 

I provide sources and talk upon facts. Many of the atheists who reply respond with feelings and emotions. It's not really a debate when you're arguing with people who just argue against facts with how they feel.

 

Lots of Christians on here find you very poorly informed and rude.

 

The "facts" you supply and claim are actually simply your own opinion of what fact entails...as are my own. The primary difference being that while your "Facts" cannot be independently verified as reality...Mine certainly can by those wishing to do so. Thus are you often challenged on truth.

 

Why do you insist on posting statements that you label as TRUE when a TRUTH is not consistent with a FACT?

Look....I personally don't care what your Religious Beliefs are as that is up to you but you continue to post that there exists Scientific Evidence that back up such things as the Noah's Ark and Worldwide Flood Story when this is something that has been PROVEN TO BE 100% FALSE WITHOUT ANY POSSIBILITY OF REALITY.

Our Universe has concrete physical laws and the only time sauch laws are broken is when conditions exist where there is a rip or tear in the very Fabric of Space-Time such as Black Holes....where the Laws of another Divergent Universal Reality with alternate Space-Time Dimensionality exist AS OUR UNIVERSE IS NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM!!!

And we have 100% PROOF AND EVIDENCE to back this up as we have developed Quantum Processors and Quantum Computers and Systems and they WORK.....but only because during their construction no observation of the work and the internal components occured because it is done ROBOTICALLY and must be robotically assembled in a CLEAN ROOM and even if a FLY was in this room and observed the assemby the Quantum Computers would not work.

If there was a Digital Video Camera in the room recording the assembly as long as that Video was never watched either by Human's or any other Species that can observe and has consciousness.....the Quantum Computers will work......but if after 4 or 5 years someone was to watch that Video.....ALL QUANTUM SYSTEMS THAT WERE BEING ASSEMBLED ON THAT VIDEO AND OBSERVED 4 OR 5 YEARS LATER ON THE DIGITAL VIDEO WOULD INSTANTLY STOP FUNCTIONING!!!!

The REASON for this is as these are Quantum Processors which in order to work must work in conjunction WITH EVERY INFINITE IN NUMBER ALTERNATE VERSION OF THEMSELVES EXISTING IN ALL ALTERNATE DIVERGENT STATES OF UNIVERSAL REALITY!!

We KNOW this to be a FACT because we have tested this and every time the video is observed by people or other CONSCIOUS LIFE FORMS.....no matter how much time has passed.....UPON OBSERVATION OF THE DIGITAL VIDEO THE QUANTUM COMPUTERS CEASE FUNCTIONING!!!

The REASON I am telling you this is because to allow you to understand that the Universe is just but one of an INFINITE IN NUMBER AMOUNT OF UNIVERSAL REALITIES.

Because of this we KNOW OUR UNIVERSE IS NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM but rather just one small part of a MULTIVERSAL SYSTEM.

And because we know this it also means that EVERY POSSIBLE CHOICE AND CAUSE AND EFFECT EXISTS thus there is a version of you that when you came to the end of the road and you had a road that could go left or right....a version of you went left....a version of you went right....a version of you turned around.....a version of you just stopped and waited for someone to tell you where to go.....a version of you went off the road straight....a version of you DIED RIGHT ON THE SPOT due to a Heart Attack.....another version of you was robbed....another version of you hit another car....another version of you accidentally ran over a kid......GET THE CONCEPT???

MULTIVERSAL THEORY is still theory but everything that Quantum Mechanics is showing us is pointing to Multiversal Theory to be a FACT.

This is actually GOOD FOR YOUR CONCEPT THAT A GOD EXISTS.....as since a Muliversal System is INFINITES OF INFINITES.....there is a Universal State of Reality where a GOD exists....but that GOD does not necessarily have to be like anything advertized in the Bible or Koran or Tanakh.

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