For Self Protection -- Don't Overlook the 22

well, to all who try skull shots, it's easier to hit DCM and requires loser grouping.......

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you mean, according to the anti-gun crowd, known as the real meaning of the 2nd A...right? sticks and stone, eh?

 

Good luck stopping the 00 Buck and 000 Magnum loads I have in my 12 gauge. Yes sir,proof positive-grade A-number 1-guaranteed.

 

I wonder what the difference is between those rounds and the modern SD ammo like Hornady's Critical Defense, besides the ballistic advantages of polymer tipped hollow point vs. FMJ.

Might be a hotter round, one would hope so anyway.

 

I get the feeling that your intent is to be sarcastic, however you speak the truth.


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Truth, and another target I taught my kids to aim for is the hip. It typically won't move as much as even the torso, and a hit there will effectively immobilize the bad guy making a CM shot easier. Sometimes bad guys wear body armor and normally there won't be any protection covering the hips, so for me and mine it's a target.

 

Most people, even the cops, miss shooting center mass while under pressure and especially with a handgun. That is why you aim at the biggest target first.

 

I don't know, I don't even know how thick a cow's skull is.

I see the word polymer thrown around so much today. Polymer is just a process, it can be many kinds of plastics or even rubber.

Polymer tipped bullets. What kind of tipped bullet ? Polyethylene, polypropylene, PVC, silicone, etc. ?

The question I've been asking, these ploymer pistols that are out there today, how long will they last before they start cracking ? Nobody really knows. Will you be able a 100 years from now be able to pick up that hundred year old polymer pistol and shoot it ? I own a 45-70 Remington Rolling Block that was manufactured in 1878 and when I can afford the ammunition, I go out and fire off twenty or more rounds. Will you be able to do the same with a 150 year old polymer pistol ?

I remember when PVC pipe and conduits first started being used in the construction trades. No one knew how long the PVC would last before it started deteriorating, They knew it would quickly become brittle when exposed to sunlight but how about when it's buried in the ground ? Today we are seeing PVC pipes that have been buried in the ground for just twenty years becoming brittle and breaking during earh quakes. PVC is a polymer.

 

Polymer does not refer to a process. A polymer is a description of the molecular structure of the substance. Yes, there are a lot of polymers. Starch for example is a polymer composed of sugar molecules.

All a polymer tipped bullet is is a hollowpoint that has been filled with plastic to make it feed smoother.

IN terms of how long they will last, you are right, nobody knows. A lot of it does depend on the environment. 44

 

I suppose so, polymer is a noun, >" having many parts."<

I have a 1983 Mercedes 300 D sedan in mint condition. All the plastic is now cracking and breaking. I wonder if Mercedes was expecting that to happen when the car became 32 years old ? Remember when all cars were nothing but steel, rubber and chrome ?

 

Rubber also cracks and breaks if not treated correctly (BTW ,rubber is a polymer). There are plastic treatments available (Armor-all is an example)

Teh Glock was first adopted by the Austrian army in 1982.

 

When Polymer Fails -> http://www.thebangswitch.com/when-polymer-fails/

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Well, the guy in the first article says :

The second guy says "This gun spends most of the time inside a fanny pack locked in my truck's tool box alone in a padded drawer." Well, around here, I would expect it to not do well. Truck tool boxes are not good environments to keep a gun in for 16 years.

I don't know for sure about how well polymer guns will wear. I personally don't own any. That said, I wouldn't leave a gun in at truck tool box, no matter what it was made of.

Even metal guns can have problems..

http://www.thegunzone.com/m9-a.html

 

I prefer cold hard steel that has been milled, not stamped.

I'll stick with my .45 ACP Springfield Armory M-1911 A-1.

 

I hear ya, and my Sig P220ST Elite is heavy with the metal, but my Benelli SuperNova is a polymer body over a steel frame so we'll see how long it lasts before cracking.

I'll get back to you in about 50 years.

 

My EDC is a Kahr CW-9. The body is light weight polymer and the rest is stainless steel. I've carried it for 6 years and it has held up very well to sweat and the elements.

 

The problem with using a 22 for SD (assuming something else is available) is two fold
1) the stopping power is minimal. and that is why you shoot someone in self defense-to stop them

2) rim fires are inherently far less reliable than center fires. I know this because every week, all summer long, I compete in steel speed matches and I see factory 22 rounds fail to fire constantly. In 3 years I have had ONE factory centerfire FTF and that was cheap russian stuff that had been sitting outside in my garage for years.