For Those People Who Believe Police Are Angels...Grow Up

Just don't understand budgeting do You? The wiki article details the limitations and makes it fairly clear that this is rarely applicable. Doesn't mean it won't be tried in every case but it does mean it will be found wanting far more often than not. And frankly qualified immunity is necessary in a country with 1 lawyer for every 250 people. If certain cities and the liberals in charge would grow and set and start fighting some of these police brutality lawsuits every step of the way you'd have a lot fewer of them. 99.999 percent the actions the police took under the circumstance in which they operated were wholly justified.

 

Are you suggesting that cities budget for the costs of litigation in the cities? That's fine. The people should know just how much their cadres of armed government bureaucrats are costing them.

Where does it "make it fairly clear" that it is rarely applicable? It applies every day. You said that police are held to the same standards as the rest of us. The doctrine of qualified immunity makes it clear that they are protected in ways that average citizens aren't. If you thought your neighbors were committing some sort of crime (victimless or otherwise) and lobbed a grenade through a window and burned a baby's face off, you'd be criminally and civilly liable. A group of cops do it, and they walk away with nothing more than some paid time off.

It generally doesn't get tried at all. These days, an officer runs someone over at 95mph, it's the people who pay taxes who are liable, not the officer who was driving recklessly even though he had nowhere important to be nor even late for work.

The excuse of government-loving progressives everywhere. We need regulations to fix the problems of regulations.

In other words, they can't carry themselves with professionalism, and cities, and people like you, don't want to see them better trained. What the hell, just create more regulations to protect your big government masters.
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The only people who espouse such theories are the "conservatives" who think that Obama wants to federalize all police forces.

 

Many criminals have jobs and families and dream of advancing themselves. You have your obvious criminals...and you have those who appear respectable. I believe you are letting the idea of what a police officer should be interfer with the reality of what some police tend to be.

You seem to take the side of cops exclusively, going out of your way to try and characterize the allegations against them as misunderstandings. Other people try to do the same for the victims of cops. Because there are many innocent people who get victimized by police brutalies and harrassments of all kinds and it spans over more than just Black people. Not only innocent people, but criminals as well. People tend to characterize anyone with the title of criminal as a bloodthirsty monster, but this is not true. Many criminals are non-violent, and many people in jail are busted on things like drug charges, child support issues, etc. However, there is this attitude that you can do anything you want to a criminal because he's a criminal. People don't seem to reconize this as opportunistic sadism, and it's worse coming from a cop than a criminal. Cops can be victimized by people and people can be victimized by cops. I hope there is a time when you can view the victims of cops with as much sympathy as you seem to give to cops in general.

I think you are looking at the situation superficially and connecting dots without really understanding the connections between them. Probably more complicated than I'll pretend to understand as well, but at the very least, I'll say that there is great value in an underclass in capitalist societies. From the beginning to the end- whether it is white serfs or Black minimum wagers- the source of economic propserity has always been the extortion of the poor and disenfranchised- either locally and/or internationally.

 

I agree that its time to get rid of laws that force cops to be jerks. Why do we even have seatbelt laws? There is enough information out there for folks to make up their own minds. Drug laws? All they do is cause crime for no reason. When is the last time someone high on Heroin wanted to do anything but go to La La land? If it were legal, it would be more off limits to youth than it is now and the content and dosage would be KNOWN. Marijuana? Come on, it's a WEED. Anyone can grow it. I have yet to hear of anynone high on Marijuana what WANTED to even draw attention to themselves. No..They want to get HIGH and ENJOY the experience. I could go on....

 

Hell, I personally don't know of a single person who's afraid of LE, but the again,
I don't hang out with thugs, so I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

 

Don't forget the politicians that force them to fill quotes so the politician can look good for being tough on crime.

 

that white privilege. it appears that the police is acting as the gang that whites call when they see a [insert any name you like here] in their vicinity.

 

Did you bother to read your own article? It is only applicable if the police are engaged in a lawful activity. Beating someone to death without cause is never a lawful activity whether or not you are a cop.

How much more training should they have to have? Most now have at least an associates degree in criminology and many have a bachelors followed by two to four months police academy course followed by a rookie period where they are paired with an experienced cop for another few months before they are let out on their own.

And no, in other words in most of these cases what the cops did was completely and utterly justifiable. But the local pols aren't gong to defend the cops no matter what.

And now here's a question for you, how many times in your opinion do you get to what a cop with a flagpole before he gets to shoot you in self defense?

 

imo, the police need some new weapons besides just the semi auto pistols and M16 type rifles and armored cars and such.

Some kind of sleep agent gas grenades, and/or maybe some dart guns like they use on wild animals that are not meant to be killed, but need to be detained, and tagged, to be able to track them later to see how they affect the larger law abiding animal environment they prey upon.

 

In answer to the title of this thread, may I point out that the rioting looting thugs are not the righteous people that liberals make them out to be.

 

thanks for your opinion even though it is woefully inaccurate.

 

we have seen cops taze people then immediately after tell them to put their hand behind their back when their muscles can not comply due to just being tazed, then taze them again for not complying

sadly just like any other employee, some are just stupid, what we really need is a way to weed out bad cops, copcams are the best way to do this

telling anyone of the public they can not record what they are seeing should be an immediate firing event as well

 

Just more proof that you can fool most of the people all of time.

 

Law enforcement people are not executives, they start off with low to medium pay, going through all kinds of testing and educational programs, before going out on the streets. That is 99% plus are dedicated to some purpose or loyalty, even more so than joining the Military or Education, where other factors are involved.

To make a long story short, dumbing down those that most career applicant's enter, can be handled, even if in Government, but Law Enforcement is not one of them. I'll add, this new idea of "trial by media" is serving no purpose and only encourages those that will and take advantage.

 

If you are law-biding... that helps. For all I know though, you could be a 'thug' yourself.

 

Yep. That's exactly what is seems to be.

Trends and patterns have proven that people have substantial reasons to be concerned about or fear law enforcement. Sweeping reforms across this nation are now required.

 

Yeah, it's a government circle jerk for sure.

 

Human beings depend upon each other for survival thus, there is no intrinsic freedom. America and its Constitution offers the best chance that one will experience at least a modicum of freedom.

 

I think these are your opinions rather than facts. I can't say why people in the military or police join the force. I think a certain amount have high ideals when they join, but after a while reality sets in. I don't have a policeman's perspective, so I can only imagine their particular view of their place in the system.

 

Accept when closely examined those trends and patterns largely do not exist.

 

Yes IMO and as you are expressing your's....People join local law enforcement for concrete reasons, their Dad, Uncle was a cop or some similar reason. They are subject to psychological testing prior to and during their career, while always under the scrutiny of those they serve.

 

That's one purpose for law enforcement...to fear doing wrong because they are there.

What would you suggest those reforms should be, a National Police Force, maybe under the direction of the IRS???

 

You certainly haven't explained-away what we've all seen here.

 

That is nonsense. Get real. When people NOT doing wrong and NOT committing crime are suffering, there is definitely something to be addressed.

It doesn't matter what I suggest. But actively reviewing outcomes and improving the same are absolutely important.