For those who would jail me for hiring illegals

You called me a leftist, I simply pointed to over 20,000 right leaning posts as proof you are totally wrong. Ron Paul is the Dennis Kucinich of the right. To me he's crazy as a loon and so are ALL of his followers, sorry.

 

A lot of people say this, without any details on how we supposedly should go about "fixing" things. Are you the same?

People shouldn't be going after useless English and liberal arts and gender studies and political science and psychology degrees in the first place. They could only possibly get you an unproductive government job.

This is my beef.

are useless and should be ashamed of themselves, then grow up.

Students of those kinds of degrees (liberal arts/humanities etc., not engineering, for the most part) shouldn't be allowed to take out government loans or grants because their pursuits of a useless degree drive up the cost of a degree for actually useful degrees.

Only fools or rich people who had a lot of free time on their hands would ever pay for that, but then again, I'm sure there are enough such people for a small number of Phd holders in humanities to run that sortof show.

That is the goal of the free market. But socialism doesn't accept that sometimes, jobs (certain kinds of labor) become obsolete due to innovation, and some people fail because of it.

If a certain group of people somehow took control over the entire world's supply of a certain necessary resource, then this would be valid, but otherwise not. Then again, corporatism is trying to do just that.

This deals with being afraid of failure, which makes up one out of two major reasons why people become socialists.

 

YOU are the one bragging about breaking the law and crowing about how you bypass the law. The ONLY reason you hire illegals is because you can get them at slave wages, so you're not only a lawbreaker, but immoral as well (a hallmark of the right wing corporate mentality).
YOU and your party's manipulation of law and the "non rich" are the reason the country is so screwed today, and have insured its downfall in the very near future. What's even sicker though, is that you guys think you're justified in your warped version of reality, and don't even recognize that your attitude is the largest part of the problem. You're not along though...CEO's and other corporate board members have adopted your same perversions. Congratulations....a "great American".........NOT.

 

I don't see a whole lot of ways other than forceful eviction of politicians by the masses, but perhaps there will eventually be an influx of political reformers.

http://www.accreditedonlinecolleges...ul-english-majors-who-shatter-the-stereotype/

These majors have tons of uses. I don't get why people call them "useless". Librarians, writers, archivists, curators, publishers, psychologists, businesspeople, entrepreneurs, editors, journalists, film makers, video game designers, social workers, entertainers, interpreters, teachers, artists, diplomats, etc, etc... Arts and Letters are the most well rounded degrees and have tons of practical applications. To think that engineering is the only worthwhile degree is downright idiotic.

I will also say that in law especially English and philosophy majors regularly score higher than other fields such as engineering, because majors like English and philosophy require heavy analytical and interpretive skills that most mathematicians lack.

Yes, but tell me, who will provide the service of oversight of institutions? Everyone knows harvard, nobody knows if bob's computer school is any good.

Very childish statement.

See above. The degree isn't useless. Although engineering eventually will be. And you should also know that most engineers have no communication skills. I have rarely met engineers who can even properly spell out sentences. The world needs applied mathematicians, true, but the world also needs communicators and thinkers. Engineers also need creative people to tell them what to do. People like Steve Jobs, for example who was a tyrant to his uninspired engineers who understood nothing about the marketability of design.

People would go there for a combination of idea exchange and networking. I take it you don't have much appreciation for art or examination of the human condition, which I suppose would explain your somewhat nihilistic world view.

There is no such thing as a free market. There never has been and never will be. It is just an ideological fiction.

That group exists, they are the global elite, the wealthiest one percent.

No it doesn't. It means that it is easy to scorn the Vietnam vet bum on the corner, until you yourself hit a hard time and wind up on that same corner. Nothing is certain and nobody is immune to failure, even failure that is a result only of circumstance. I will also say that I am not very afraid of failure, but I do feel empathy for people who have unaddressed problems such as schizophrenia that result in them being homeless. I feel bad for children who grow up without healthy food. I feel bad for old people who can't afford to buy their medicine. I feel bad for people who work three jobs and blow out their knees by the time they are 30 (I have known 3 people who did this). There is nothing wrong about feeling empathy for others, in fact it is a fundamental character flaw not to -- and a sign of depression and psychopathy.

 

I paid the guy $10 which is NOT slave labor, but he deserved it being a good worker, and as far as him being illegal - too bad for your stinky US government supporting mentality: ObamaBinBush to you too

PS: all the anti immigrants here are the real isolationists

 

A new Declaration of Independence and Constitution would be nice, as well as what you describe here.

Are those all skills that could only have been attained by spending tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars for a degree? I think funny, entertaining, socially skilled, creative, artistic people tend to have these traits as something fairly innate.

I've never taken a single formal philosophy course but I'd say I know more about the subject than most people who have.

It'd make the most sense to simply test incoming employees somehow, and/or for businesses to just train them themselves, even if it meant owing the business at the end. Rich people who own businesses pay a lot of money, involuntarily, to federal Pell grants and federal student loans, that go towards getting political science degrees that no one ever uses for any practical purpose.

Besides, if businesses had the responsibility of training people and giving them the knowledge that colleges (supposedly) do now, they'd have a reason to be EFFICIENT about it. Colleges have an incentives to make it as slow and drawn out and costly as possible.

It's bull (*)(*)(*)(*)ing (*)(*)(*)(*).

They're lucky the world isn't full of people like me because I'd never buy anything, car, house or phone, for reasons owing to it's superficial appearance, unless it were also incredibly efficient. I'd never pay the amount that Steve Jobs demanded for most of his phones when they just came out. I waited until the older models of Smart-phones started being given away for (literally) nothing, if you agreed to pay them the set amount each month for the contract.

Most people are greedy, selfish, self-absorbed, over-ego-inflated, simplistic, lazy, jackasses.

I wouldn't care if Armageddon happened tomorrow, as long as I got out quick and painless.

You should make that your signature. Unfortunately I do agree.

Along with governments, yes.

If the government hadn't have violated his rights and forced him into the military in the first place, he wouldn't be in that situation. The government and corporations and banks cause problems, and then people ask the government to fix said problems that were made feasible by none other than the government.

 

Certain concepts help to be explained, although perhaps in other ways you are correct. Every major hollywood and indy film you see was most likely created by people who went to school for script writing, directing, etc...George Lucas went for anthropology. A liberal arts education instructs student in a combination of mathematics, science, foreign language and most importantly analytical, interpretive and communicative skills.

I can tell you that this is nonsense. Unless you are a super genius, I would find it hard to believe you would understand thinkers like Kant and Heidegger without some formal education. Philosophy is one of the most difficult majors to accomplish. Besides, you can't go into law without a BA. And you can't get into a good law school without scoring high on the LSAT which is largely logic puzzles and ethical questions -- the subjects of philosophers.

This would be somewhat ideal, but it would also basically be indentured servitude. I would assume someone with a political science degree goes into consultation or politics.

They want students to incur the debt of their training and have experience beforehand, usually through unpaid internships.

I have never purchased an apple product, because I use linux, so there is no point in apple, but from a consumer standpoint, of course marketers and writers devise ways to sell you products everyday. You don't even realize that every form of media and marketing around you is provided by creative thinkers, most likely with some type of a liberal arts degree.

That isn't a very healthy world view. If you don't care why do you argue about political ideals which by definition are meant to be the system of the greatest good for the most people? The fact that you advocate any positive stance at all shows that you do care about the wellbeing of society or you wouldn't bother.

Maybe haha.

They send away an 18 year old who doesn't know anything about the world or the reality of war to go watch all his friends get their brains blown out. I agree the government did it, but as a moral society we can't cast disdain on a person who did something, believing that they were acting in the best interest of everyone around them, and not reach out our hand in support of this person, if in no other way than to provide psychiatric help so the person can become a productive and content member of society instead of a subject of public derision.

And as I said before (edited) what about starving children? What about orphans? What about old people who can't afford medicine? The disabled? The mentally ill? Etc...

 

Do they have any retirement with your company? Do they get medical with your company? Do you even contribute to their 401(k)? If not your no better than the southern plantation owners.

 

Well like all subjects, colleges have an incentive to educate people in an unefficient way (with respect to money, time etc.). Businesses would not. That sort of indentured servitude would be okay as long as employees protected themselves with unions.

Philosophy is largely subjective and deals with unprovable, untestable etc. things. Tautologies. Philosophers tend to write a lot of words to fill many pages in a book, that don't have any real use and that I certainly wouldn't ever waste my time reading..even if I'm wasting my time on a forum..but this is more interactive.

They went to purposefully inefficient colleges and wasted a lot of time getting a degree that should've been attainable in maybe 2 years instead of 5 or 6, if it were done in an efficient way, and not cost tens of thousands of dollars, and that could be manageably paid back by the student-soon-to-be-employee, to the company that trained them.

I like to argue, is what I like to do.

In those cases I say welfare is arguably acceptable, but my main concern, if I had any, would be making sure that a small group of people doesn't take a monopolistic control over the entirety of a certain physical resource, such as oil or copper.

 

Why should he? I live on barely anything and don't have any kind of medical plan at all with anyone, nor a 401(k), and don't ever plan on having anything like that. Then again I plan on dying early so this is perhaps not my place to discuss.

 

Maybe you should be a day laborer for a while.

 

I have been before. A lot of people have

 

Are you still?

 

No. I went to a college for a couple years, racked up a lot of debt so far, something happened that is no one's business, and I withdrew for now, but work there in one menial position and one tutoring position. If it weren't for socialist policies artificially inflating the cost of college, I wouldn't have racked up that much debt. Nor would I have to use the same socialist institution to pay me to work (I could get jobs elsewhere, but the campus is closer).

 

His competitors is the government and unemployment benefits.

 

Both of which would pay about twice what he would pay. I can't understand the lack of motivation to work for almost free. Nope...Sure can't.

 

And you wonder why the economy is in recession and millions are on unemployment benefits?

How can you understand this but not acknowledge that the unemployment system is a failed policy, which at the very least needs to be redesigned.

 

Bold talk but the best government corporate money can buy will not reduce taxes, spend less, eliminate regulations and loopholes/exemptions/tax breaks etc... that have destroyed the competitive environment that once existed, and the top 5-10% will not take a much deserved pay cut, that will reduce the cost of living to a comparable/realistic level as the wages offered for manual labor in this country today.

 

Very well stated!

 

How would you be able to do that. The system would not even leave and no one would want to work for someone else, when you can find any job and do it for yourself and no one else. What you do is yours....

And there would not exist necessity to create bans to corporations, and anything. That would be unsustainable, and people would not agree to that. When people have tasted real freedom won't appreciate to go back the slavery system of the capitalism.

 

Listen you socialist: If you want retirement plans and medicals (but can't stand reading pvsi.net) then stop supporting zionists who destroy nations such as Iran, USSR, etc. where retired people actually HAD health care and retirement.
I lived in USSR I shold know. better then you foxcnn watching (*&^*(^%^&

 

???? Me not understanding....

 

You need more pay attention then

 

In this you are probably right. I am surprised you would suggest unions. College is inefficient, yes, but on the other hand it is because the Western tradition relies on a well-rounded education, and further, the high schools are so terrible, that the university has to pick up the k-12's slack. People are graduating high school with no knowledge in even basic math or science. A college degree - any college degree from a state university to my knowledge, seeks to prove the degree holder proficient in mathematics beyond algebra, basics of advanced written English, civics and science. In short, the western tradition of higher education is meant to produce brighter citizens as well as prepare these citizens to enter the workforce.

I also want to point out that a business training its own people would cut into their bottom line. In addition, they would be wasting money every time they extensively trained a person who didn't want the position.

Philosophy is testable. This entire system of governance began as a "test" of enlightenment principals. Political philosophy is testable in the societal arena and personal philosophy is testable through your own faculties and ability to reason. If you are a capitalist, there are philosophers who created and advanced the theories you believe in today, and pondered questions of the individual vs the collective, nature vs. nurture, etc...

Philosophers have the power to bring huge ideas into the public arena, although I will admit we are living in an age of nihilistic consumerism, and very few people see worth in ideas or examinations of what it means to be human, which is sad - many modern people wish to exist in hedonism with no introspection as to why they can never find satiation, why they want more "stuff" but are still depressed when they obtain what they longed for. If they looked inward and examined their own life, they might find a deeper level of contentment than they thought possible, by addressing the roots of their misguided desires.

Well, maybe with time you would change your mind. I enjoy the intellectual challenge of philosophy and while some philosophers do use needlessly obtuse language and concepts, others are pretty straight forward, yet difficult to understand. It can take years to fully understand certain philosophical concepts, which is why I say secondary academic sources are generally the best means of tackling major works at first. Very few great philosophers were not formally trained.

I would also say that it is hard to "simplify" the deepest questions of human existence relative to our consciousness, state of being, ethical stances, political ideals and religious concepts.

There is too much bureaucracy in the college system. The administrators are milking the students and sports and other nonsense are a frivolous waste of revenue. If the colleges are considered public institutions they should be forced to quit operating like big businesses. I do believe there needs to be a crackdown on administrators in the university. They need to clean house and get ride of the endless levels of opportunists and running university operations. I would also agree that the university process should be streamlined.

It is absurd to be herded into an institution only to realize that you can't even begin pursuing your career goals until after you've received a master's degree because the field you want requires further education (which is the growing case with middle class jobs) as well as a year or more spent working FOR FREE in volunteer and internship positions, while working another job to pay rent and going to college.

Bachelor's degrees are being looked at in the market as "second diplomas" that need to be specialized in grad school. In this way, it doesn't really matter what you major in because there is a strong likelyhood that you will have to attend a master's program to get into a decent field. And on top of that, once you enter your field, you are expected to continue attending courses and seminars to improve your knowledge. None of this is particularly bad, but it is unlikely an employer will pay for you.

Fair enough.

I don't know about copper, but oil is controlled by a handful of dynasties around the world...

 

Are you on drugs?