Freed after 14 years in prison without charges, Guantánamo torture victim speaks out

If the 20th century taught anything, it is that "philosophy" unaided is powerless. Philosophy did not bring down Soviet tyranny; that was done by sustained US military and diplomatic pressure.
And nothing has gone over my head, but I've seen enough to know what I believe.

 

You can't even START to defend that bit of nonsense concerning Israel's humanitarian atrocities since Arafat.

Using Arafat as an excuse for the blatant crimes of Netanyahu, while ignoring President Abbas impossible to justify.

WE stand for what WE support. And, that has been the war Israel has waged CONTINUOUSLY against Palestine - even though Abbas has worked WITH the ADF to curb violence and has followed a path of negotiation, not violence.

We have consistently worked AGAINST the peace moves of Abbas and FOR the ethnic cleansing of West Bank and the perpetual war that Israel has waged against the open air prison of Gaza.

As I've pointed out earlier, that has included working to prevent Abbas from displacing Hamas in Gaza - one of the supremely evil endeavors of Netanyahu.

 

I don't accept that even SLIGHTLY.

We did not go to war against the USSR.

That needs to be remembered STRONGLY as those such as you work to justify what we have done in the 30 years since the USSR fell.

Also, you need to be trying to figure out what America stands for. Because I do not see that being featured. What our military foreign policy promotes is law of the jungle - NOT rule of law, NOT rights of the people.

 

Personally I’m not opposed to torture in war and they hold no rights that should be respected by us or our military. Whether you like it or not it was tactics like this that led to the death of Bin Laden. I’m completely okay with these tactics and no he doesn’t deserve any money. If he wasn’t related to terrorists and associated with them it never would have happened.

those guys don’t deserve the rights our soil provides and should never touch it.

 

You're in with a big crowd here in the US advocating for torture Joe. We have so much to be proud of that way.

It's easy to understand why so much of the world hates us.

 

The most important supporter of Abbas over the years was the US.
Merry Christmas.

 

The US remains the strongest force in the world for freedom and individual liberty.
Merry Christmas.

 

My concern is definitely not for them. American citizens are a different story. However I couldn’t possibly care less for people with terrorist ties whatsoever. I’m thankful our tactics found bin laden so yes I agree with them and I don’t care what others have to say because our country is safer for it.

 

That's just your little puny opinion, Jack. Your opinion is totally irrelevant. Like I previous stated the international red cross says otherwise, and the US government lost the court case over this. It's been judged that the US government has violated the GC on these people by their own court. And so the curtain has fallen.

 

You asked me to prove it. And so I did, with an capable independent organization who visit that place.
You're just crying little crocodile tears that I was able to prove my point.
And does it look like I care that you got a different opinion? It doesn't debunk my proof.

 

You didn’t prove anything, but just claimed you did anyway. Why?

 

I made no claim whether the GC were violated. That is a question about which I am indifferent.

 

You made a claim that the GC could not be applied, since they were made in a time of age that these kinds of people did not exist and so do not fall under the GC. That is paraphrasing your 101 post. And that is parroting that nazi of a Rumsfeld. He -in an attempt to protect those American governmental policies- lost the court case over it. And with that, what you claim that those people do not fall under the GC is not correct. Your idea is a flat out a violation of the GC.

 

My claim was that the GC are antiquated and inadequate to modern conflict. I made no statement about whether there might be a misguided attempt to apply them. I am simply indifferent to the GC.

 

The thing is, you're no expert on it. The international red cross and the US courts judged differently.
And on the other side: your opinion is irrelevant.

 

The historical question of the GCs' adequacy for our modern conflicts is not an "expert" matter.

 

Your opinion remains irrelevant when you disagree with a US court and the IRC.

 

The GC's are a dead letter in practical terms, and will be quietly abandoned. US forces have not faced an opponent with any regard for the GC's since WW2.

 

I can not stress enough that I do not care about your opinion, since the US government lost this case in court! GET IT? You and people with your kind of opinion... LOST! The GC simply do apply in this case totally fine, and the US breached them. The IRC simply did their homework.

 

And they will be ignored.

 

The US government can't ignore their own court when they lost the court case about it.

 

No practical effect. He'll be deported.

 

No effect? The effect was that the US government was made to comply with the GC and stop mistreating their prisoners. The CG simply do apply to them. The IRC was right, the US courts judged it was so, and your opinion about it, is irrelevant.

Which leaves that since the US breached the CG, it does seem right that they pay up for the wrong they did to their prisoners. It's only logical.

 

The court ruling was vacated. He was released and deported by executive action.
There is no ruling applicable to other prisoners.

 

You made a post #101 about how the Geneva Conventions are inadequate, and that the idea was to take them of the battlefield.
It remains so that the US government flat out breached the GC on these prisoners, including the guy in the OP.
The IRC is right about this, and the US courts ruled against it's over government about it.
And the reason to torture them around wasn't to get them of the battlefield, but it had idea's to extract information.
That's why they took them. And so it concludes that you're just dead wrong.

You now just dropped your entire argument.