From Choice to Consent .. Cont.

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Fugazi, Jan 8, 2015.

  1. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    It is common knowledge. You can check if you are interested.
     
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    NO, it is NOT "common knowledge".

    You claimed it, YOU prove it....if it's "common knowledge" you should have no difficulty producing proof....


    Try again:I think you need to crack a book on world history.

    Human nature has not been overturned, it can't change.

    Please show a time in history where humans were sensitive to the "sanctity" of life.

    Please show proof that females are emotionally damage by abortion.

    Please show a time in history where abortion didn't exist.
     
  3. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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  4. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As soon as you write the cheque for the consequences of NOT providing low cost contraception.



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    It never is as it cannot be. A contraceptive PREVENTS FERTILISATION.


    As soon as you stay away from roads to avoid getting hit by a car or crashing yours.....
     
  5. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We do not know that as we have no way of knowing what the rate was when the procedure was illegal. There are estimates that it was the same as after, but that is just speculation.

    Abortion has been around in one form or another ever since women have been getting pregnant.

    There is no such thing as 'sanctity of life'. Please do study history.


    In general, however, the prevalence of mental health problems observed among women in the United States who had a single, legal, first-trimester abortion for nontherapeutic reasons was consistent with normative rates of comparable mental health problems in the general population of women in the United States.
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    This review identified several factors that are predictive of more negative psychological responses following first-trimester abortion among women in the United States. Those factors included:

    Perceptions of stigma, need for secrecy, and low or anticipated social support for the abortion decision;
    A prior history of mental health problems;
    Personality factors such as low self-esteem and use of avoidance and denial coping strategies;
    and Characteristics of the particular pregnancy, including the extent to which the woman wanted and felt committed to it.
    http://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/

    Gee, maybe if antichoicers would stop slut shaming them, they would do better....
     
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  6. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, it is "Common Knowledge" that abortion has been practiced for thousands of years...likely mush longer than that. I would also question whether YOU would be a good source for anything concerning knowledge.
     
  7. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Just wondering if anyone wants to actually return to the topic, or will pro-lifers continue to post irrelevance and veer off the subject?
     
  8. Gorn Captain

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    How many times have we see it, Fugazi?

    When you raise questions that stump them or embarrass them or shoot holes in their pre-programmed talking points?

    They DESPERATELY try to change the subject so they can get back to a place they are comfortable.
     
  9. SteveJa

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    I do every time, and yes it is derogatory, derogatory words are in the dictionary too, like the n word complete with definitions.

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    and you post it in the abortion thread?
     
  10. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab...ans-when-they-understand-reality-of-the-issue

    Extract -

    When they are reminded that abortions are very rare at this stage in pregnancy and that fetal abnormalities are often involved in the instances, a solid 60 percent of registered voters support access to abortion at 20 weeks, with only 33 percent opposing access. Abortion later in pregnancy is extremely rare (nearly 99 percent of abortions in the U.S. occur before 21 weeks), but when it does happen it’s often in heartbreaking and tragic situations involving severe abnormalities.

    Unlike other polls, this survey — of 1,011 registered voters from all major parties — asked about the specific circumstances in which abortions should and should not be allowed after the 20th week of a woman’s pregnancy. Once Americans understand the range of circumstances in which abortion would be made illegal under most 20-week abortion ban proposals — like the ones approved by the House of Representatives this year and the ones passed by some state legislatures this year — they oppose the bans overwhelmingly


    Full poll memo - http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/4914/2064/2343/FINAL_20_week_ban_polling_memo.pdf

    Also from Gallup polls;

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    Er yes as they pertain to Abortion, hence the post in the abortion forum.
     
  11. Anders Hoveland

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    I am pro-choice, pro-choice for the developing child. How will it ever get to make a choice if it is aborted?
    Abortion is the ultimate form of taking away choice, it takes away any potentiality the fetus may ever have.


    It's a child, not a choice. At least it shouldn't be.
    Abortion is a choice NO woman should ever have to make.
     
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  13. Fugazi

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    You are placing what you want in the position of what someone else wants, you have absolutely no idea what choices a fetus would make, even if it could make one, and your proxy choice is biased in favour of the result you require.

    You are not, or ever have been pro-choice that is plain from your comments in these (and other) forums or need you be reminded of some of your comments.

    The only choice you offer the woman is Hobson's choice.

    Oh please leave the emotional BS at home.

    nope it is not a child no matter how many times you keep repeating that lie, and the "choice" is one that involves whether a woman consents to her body being used by another person .. exactly the same "choice" you have.

    I absolutely 100% agree with you, now all you have to do is convince your pro-life buddies to do the things that WILL reduce abortions ie comprehensive sex education and free at source contraception of ALL types. You know as well as I do that abortion will NEVER be stopped, there will always be cases where abortion is the only option .. surely the goal is to reduce abortion by the methods already proven to do so - legislation is not one of them.
     

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