Gallup- 3.2% adults have gay sex or cross dress

thus gay

 

Ever heard of the term "Gay for pay"? It's when heterosexual male porn actors take it in the ass because the pay is good and work is scarce. They do not have any sexual connection with those they are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing, and would not do it if their job did not demand it. Are they gay? What of homosexuals, who, to stay in the closet and maintain their image, (*)(*)(*)(*) a woman? Are they no longer gay? Even if they hate it?

Sexuality means so much more than just "who you have sex with". Your ignorance, and your intent on spouting off despite it, is almost breathtaking. You have no understanding of the psychology behind homosexuality. Please educate yourself and shut up until you do.

 

look, I understand what you want to believe for whatever self-serving reason

Your belief that being gay makes you some how different than the rest of us is utterly absurd. You have sex with other men, big f'n deal.

That does not make you a different species, race or gender. I have sex with women and thus am heterosexual. You have sex with men and thus homosexual.

Other than that, we all do things the same although homosexuals tend to be liberals. For some reason, you will not accept the similarities we share besides sex. I will never understand why homosexuals want to drive a wedge between themselves and heterosexuals. You will label people as ignorant or homophobes because they will not accept your opinion any more than we will accept yours. But, we do not label your group as haters, bigots etc for your anti-heterosexual positions.

Perhaps you are confused because the disdain you might see is probably directed more at your liberal political views and not at what you do in your bedroom.

So, to the topic of the thread. If 3.2% of adults admit to engaging in either gay sex or cross dressing then why question the honesty of those polled?

And about these "gay porn stars" that you mention. Yes, if they either insert penis into another male or receive penis from another male then it's gay

And, despite it being incredibly hotttttttt, 2 women engaged in sex with each other is also gay. It certainly isn't heterosexual sex.

 

Nobody is saying homosexuals are some how different to heterosexuals. The one and only thing everyone responding to you are saying is that your OP is a complete and utter lie. The survey in question does not refer to "how people choose to have sex" nor does it refer to "cross-dressing". Please directly respond to these points.

 

it's not who one has sex with, but which gender one is attracted to. And that is identical to skin color.

 

nope.

male/male=homosexual
female/female=homosexual
male/female=heterosexual.

it's not about having sex. it's about what gender you are attracted to. that, like skin color, is not controllable, which is why they are the same.

 

good grief man

male/male sex is homosexual or gay

female/female sex is gay

man or woman who dress in the opposite sex' clothing is a cross dresser

that is who was polled

those who have gay sex and those who cross dress

now you try and use other more "kinder and gentler" terms as labels but it is what it is.

 

are you now implying that white men only want to do the deed with white women? Prior to getting married I was an equal opportunity deed doer

but, back to your futile attempt to try and draw similarities: how you have sex is not even close to ones' skin color

 

huh?

so the flavor of the day is to no longer use the term "gay" and we now must use the term "homosexual" ?

 

nowhere did I say or imply any such thing.

correct. which is why I corrected you in the post you quoted. which gender you are attracted to, like skin color, is also not controlable. who you have sex with is irrelevant. you can be straight, yet have sex with someone of the same gender. you could be gay, and have sex with someone of the opposite gender.

you keep intentionally confusing sexual orienation, with the physical act of sex. there is a difference.

 

there you go again

look, have you ever been denied a seat at the front of the bus because of how you have sex?

Have you ever been denied access to a restaurant solely because of how you have sex?

to try and draw any similarity to race is utterly contemptible.

 

That's describing the act, not (necessarily) the people involved.

Please answer the simple question you've already avoided several times; I'm attracted to women but not currently having sex with anyone. Am I still heterosexual?

That is true. The problem is that transgender does not mean "someone who dresses in the opposite sex's clothing".

It's nothing to do with being "kind and gentle", it's about not lying.

 

really, so a woman who claims to be a man needs a special label because it can't be called what it is.......................

I'm sorry if I can't keep up with all of the terms

male on male sex is gay

female on female sex is gay

woman dressing like man is cross dressing

sure, the words may be crude but are accurate

 

I wouldn't say anyone needs the label - that's up to them. The point is that the terms "transgender" and "cross-dresser" mean entirely different things. I'm not blaming you for not being aware of that but now you've been made aware, I'm suggesting you should stop choosing to use the wrong term in this context.

Stop repeating the same meaningless statements an answer my question.

 

Perhaps so, but not necessarily reported as gay on the gallop poll because different opinions of the meaning of the word. So you can't assume the poll is directly correlated to sexual activity. It's not dishonesty or lying on the poll, it's disagreement on terms. If the poll wanted to measure sexual activity, they'd ask what gender of people they had sex with.

 

if you want to discuss the topic intelligently

 

I'm not gay, but that is a red herring. gay couples are denied the basic right to marriage.

irrelevant red herring

except what gender you are attracted to is just as uncontrollable as what skin color you have. which is why they are similar.

 

ah huh? how you have sex is of no consequence to me and nothing to be ashamed of. I do not believe the govt has any business in my marriage any more than it does as you try to coerce them to getting involved for you.

We are individuals and that is where the govt must end. In the eyes of the law you and I should be viewed as men, plain and simple. If a rule be it taxes, gun ownership etc varies based upon our age, gender, how we have sex etc then it is a failed law.

 

hmmm, so all of a sudden if I use the term gay instead of homosexual I have somehow outraged you. And you get offended because I don't know the flavor of the day

oi vay

 

again your entire argument is that you think those polled were dishonest.

 

Let's imagine a scenario. Let's say that when I was young, I was taught that a fork was a spoon, and a spoon was a fork. If I held up a fork and told you "This is a spoon", am I lying to you? Or do we just have a disagreement on terms? If you want to call this scenario me "lying" to you even though I didn't know any better, then yes it's lying, but it's an extremely relevant form of lying. If Gallop wanted to get an accurate poll of who was having sex with who, they know very well that they could have asked a more specific question with less ambiguity. But they didn't. Because they were measuring identity which can be ambiguous, not activity which is less ambiguous.

I am not suggesting dishonesty on the part of the poll takers, I'm suggesting a disagreement on terms. And this isn't even a case of someone blatantly lying to ME about the meaning of the terms either, like in my example of spoons and forks. In the case of sexuality, BOTH definitions are correct... it just depends on which one the person was subscribing to when they answered the question:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual

Two different definitions for the same word, one that is characterized by sexual desire, and one that is directly related to sexual intercourse. You can have desire without intercourse. Both definitions are valid, and there's no way of knowing which definition was used by the poll takers. There's also no way of knowing that the poll takers used either of the two, if their own personal view of the word and how it fit with them didn't mesh with your own opinion on what the word means.

 

I agree the govn't should get out of marriage, but the reality is that isn't going to happen any time soon. So, if they're going to be in marriage, same sex couples must be given the equal right to marry.

I agree

 

you haven't offended me. But in order to debate this topic intelligently, proper use of terms is pretty important.

 

No. It doesn't. I never said it did. But the fact is that that's not quite good enough any more, which is why psychoanalysts convened on further categories: sexuality being one of them. That you don't know this, yet still insist that you have a clue what you are talking about, is just sad.

 

the only reason you think the govt can't be made to back down is because the liberal politicians pander to you and you support them. We need the govt less in our lives, not more.

good intentions often times lead to more problems and less freedom

heck, let's switch gears and look at a ballot initiative in FL this year

I can't recall which question but it's about giving a larger property tax reduction (or no tax at all) to the widows/widowers of those whose mate died in combat or as a first responder

The intent is to monetize in some small way the sacrifice made. Now, what happens to those who rent? Were their lives any less valuable?