Gallup: "New Numerical Low" for Obamacare

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  1. JP5

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    I and I do believe this will only continue to get worse through the months and years......if we cannot unravel this disaster called Obamacare.

    Here's just one example (in part) from my newspaper Opinion section on Sunday. There were 5 letters to the Editor on Sunday; all of them negative for Obamacare....and some of them calling for invalidation of the law:

    "Since 2009, my monthly premiums have gone from $900mo to $1650mo and this is with a $5000 deductible."

    The entire legislation was falsely sold on the premise that it would SAVE Americans money AND increase healthcare coverage. It clearly does not---and it will only get worse as all the "bad news" continues to roll out over the months/years.


    Gallup: 'New numerical low' for Obamacare

    By Lucy McCalmont
    | 11/17/14 6:00 AM EST


    Support for Obamacare continues to decline, with the law hitting a new low in approval, and a new high in disapproval, as the second enrollment period has opened for Americans, according to Gallup.

    Just 37 percent approve of the Affordable Care Act, 1 percentage point less than the previous low recorded in January, Gallup found in a new survey released Monday.


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/poll-obamacare-approval-112948.html#ixzz3JL2PG3hL
     
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    But JP, what about all those threads about how everyone loves Ovamabare, even if it was all based on lies?
     
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    As ObamaCare reaps devastation on the workers, taxpayers, businesses, economy, and jobs, the people continue to respond with a big HELL NO!.

    And add in the lies perpetrated by this administration (Gruber-gate) to get it passed, and you wonder why the American people hate this piece of legislation.

    As New Enrollment Period Starts, ACA Approval at 37%
     
  4. mak2

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    Reaps devastation? Really?
     
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    Oh, and did it really restructure the US healthcare system?
     
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    Coming from the magazine that claims they invented the term "liberal"

    Sorry, I'll trust not only Gallup, but the countless people who have shown it isn't working.
     
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    You do many states, Republican States, opted out of ACA hence do not actually enjoy the full benefits of it, you know states like Texas, that is why it does not work well here and is more expensive. Welcome to reality.
     
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    No, it didn't. In fact, government became the intermediary.....the facilitator if you will. The middle man. And it couldn't even do that right. I've an idea for you, mak2. Why not restructure the Vet Admin? Cause I get the feeling Obamacare is suffering in the polls somewhat because of the VA, that debacle a good look at what single payer health care will look like. I don't get why you Liberals wouldn't have gone for that first. Restructure and fix what ails the VA and folk might have been more supportive of your agenda. But, with the VA disaster staring government in the face, with cost overruns, with the fact that the government obviously cannot even administer the web site much less health care for 300 million.....well....the last election must have been an eye opener, but perhaps not.
     
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    Those threads are based on lies also.
     
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    It's the Republicans fault.:rolleyes:
     
  12. mak2

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    The VA has some of the highest satisfaction ratings in the country. A few hundred beuarcrats in AZ does not a system make. The VA is far from a disaster.
     
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    For it not being able to provide all of what it can, yes, it is their fault. The Cons have done everything they can ensure that it fails. That is fine by me I did not like the limited choices I was able to get with it, but keep this in mind the Cons cannot simply kill it, to do so would throw Millions of Americans off their insurance in by doing so result in the demise of the GOP as a major player in American Politics. If the Cons want to kill off ACA then they must come up with a program that will replace it and resolve the issues for ACA becoming a need in the first place, even the Cons leaders agreed that our system was not working and some serious changes needed to take place, simply allowing people to shop across state lines is not the answer. So come up with something better, fix the system we have now, or shut the heck up about it, Real simple.
     
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    If you had bothered to actually read the link you would know that those are Gallup polls.
     
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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-times-persist-at-many-va-hospitals/19033789/

    * The new data show that dozens of hospitals and clinics leave a quarter or more of all their patients waiting 30 days or more for an appointment.

    • Ten facilities reported waits of more than three months for a new patient to see a specialist. At the top of the list: the Westmoreland, Pa., clinic, where patients are waiting 174 days — nearly six months — for a specialty appointment.

    Thirty-three facilities have kept new patients seeking a mental-health appointments waiting for at least two months. Among those are large hospitals in Martinsburg, W.Va., Amarillo, Texas, and Tuskegee, Ala. And 10 clinics and hospitals kept established patients waiting at least three weeks longer than the patients wanted for mental health appointments.

    • Some small locations have big waiting times, too. The Wagner, S.D., clinic near the Nebraska state line, has only 155 total appointments of any type pending — and its new patient wait time is 153 days.
     
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    Yes, but the Con answer isn't to have government dictate and solve the problem, Casper. You liberals are so silly, every single problem that confronts you...you look to government. Allow interstate competition how about. For example, Casper, why isn't a lizard on television explaining to me that I can save 15% on my health insurance? Allow an insurance company in New Jersey to offer a Wisconsin native a health care plan! Tort reform. The 'Cons' also wanted reform on pre-existing conditions and portability options. There are many ideas that don't include your goal of single-payer where the government provides and pays for your health care. You're going to have to grow up and take care of yourself at some point, why not start today. Join the GOP.
     
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    Loyalty to VA provided care? They've nothing else!

    Why is it the VA is so in need of reform?

    I believe it's employees, doctors, and patients agree the system needs to be reformed, you don't agree?
     
  19. mak2

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    The VA can be improved, but it is not a disaster and is better in many er most ways than our profit based system. The they've nothing else bit is a really good inditment of our medical system, why do they have nothing else? Why do you think that?
     
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    "VA's goal continues to be to provide timely, high-quality healthcare for veterans," Hutton said in a statement. "Veterans and VA employees nationwide understand the need for reform, and VA is committed to putting these reforms into place. And while we have significantly improved capacity and access to care, we have not yet achieved our intended state — systemic and timely access across the board. It will be an ongoing and significant effort to reach our goals."

    So...Veterans and the VA employees themselves feel that there is "a need for reform."......mak2 believes no reform necessary. Correct?
     
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    I never said that improvement was not needed. All systems need improvement, dont try to create a strawman and argue with it.
     
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    They're 'showing loyalty' and tolerating the long wait times for appointments as they've no where else to go. And it is an indictment which is why these patients were allowed to seek private care....that is why backlogs are down. The indictment of the VA...Sir....is that is it the same bureaucratic nightmare your proposals will produce. You favor govermment health care....when the government has proven quite inefficient and costly. Are there no facts that will deflect your liberal agendas?

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    What improvements are needed, mak2?
     
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    So get this, I want to get insurance for my daughter, wife, and myself. So I look at Obamacare right, my premiums would be 432/month with a deductible of 5,000. I laughed and said no way.
     
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    Gooberment bad, I know.
    Wait times for initial appointments, for one. The problem in Pheonix was management trying to make bonus. It is kinda a complicated system but management gets bonuses for getting all patients in on time, because the VA's administration wants the action, they pay management to make it happen. The problem is they cheat. The VA is in hte process of firing those managers. I think they should also be charged with fraud and thrown in jail. but firing them would be a start.
     
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    A lot of that lack of support is coming from the left. They feel the time is right for national single-payer.
     

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