Gay Marriage: Children With Same-Sex Parents 'Happier And Healthier' Study Says

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  1. Beast Mode

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/05/gay-couples-children-happier_n_3388498.html


    So it appears that gay marriage is not only NOT harmful to children, it may even be beneficial to children.

    Who'd of thunk it? :blankstare:
     
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    I think there's a good explanation for that though. If a same sex couple decides to have children, they really want to have kids. There are no "accidents" or "surprises". That would probably explain the results of the study.
     
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    awesome

    who is trying to stop males from procreating with other males or females procreating with other females?..............whoops
     
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    Your post makes no sense. But then, when you have no argument, this is what you have to resort to, I suppose.
     
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    The biggest obstacle kids and parents in these settings will have to deal with is the crap they will get from the bigots and haters.

    I see one has already turned up and I suspect more examples will follow.
     
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    we get the obligatory "kids are better with gays" thread

    I simply state "awesome"

    let 2 gay men or 2 gay women procreate with each other and make all the kids they want. Oops, it requires sperm and egg, not 2 of the same
     
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    If you'd like to dispute the study, do so. Sure, you get a sperm and egg together and you get a kid. What is not required for raising healthy kids are two people of the opposite sex.
     
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    Well hey, guess what: there's a little thing called adoption which makes that superfluous.
     
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    well golly gee, thanks for educating me on that; I'd never heard of it before.

    So it seems that since gays can't procreate with each other then we'll never get a similar cross section sampling or broad base from which to conduct an unbiased, agenda driven study
     
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    So have you actually examined the study, or is this just baseless (*)(*)(*)(*)-flinging?
     
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    Ah, so since you don't like the results of the study, it must be "agenda-driven"? Because gay people can't possible be as good as straight people?
     
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    "Primarily recruitment will be through emails posted on gay and lesbian community email lists aimed at same-sex parenting."

    They tell them what the study is about, and ask for volunteers. and the collection of evidence consist of subjective questions. Makes it pretty much useless as far as making any claim about same sex parents.
    The crack addicted hooker and her lesbian lover raising kids, wont be volunteering. The gay couple with their child in juvenile detention wont be volunteering. And gay couples who want to portray same sex parenting as equal or even superior to opposite sex parenting will line up in droves.
     
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    Studies that show children raised by their married biological parents tend to do better do so by examining objective measures such as poverty rates, rates of juvenile delinquincy, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal convictions as an adult. These gay studies are subjective questions
     
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    On the contrary, apparently the population of same-sex couples who are willing to volunteer for a study are the best parents, with only 1 in 10,000 households matching, followed of course by biological parents. But you're right, the complete population of same-sex parents is yet to be determined, but at least we have good indication that it's dramatically detrimental by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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    You're mistaken in thinking that 'marriage' is the equivalent to 'procreation'. Do gays suddenly become sterile when married? :blankstare:
     
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    Thanks for the link. :blankstare:

    I'd be interested to see how single parents compare to your idyllic married biological parents. And the data on the control group would be interesting too, if there is any.
     
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    Happier and healthier? I thought you guys were supposed to be for equality not superiority. Why all the hatred of straight people? If someone wants to be straight and two straight people want to have kids, what harm does it cause to you?
     
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    I don't see why not. The children that same-sex parents raise don't come out of thin air... Whatever way the child ended up in their custody, be it adoption, artificial insemination, surrogacy, divorce and remarriage, etc. - an identical scenario can be compared to with opposite-sex couples who got children in their custody under the same scenario.

    What's more difficult is comparing a biological children, since of course that can't currently be completely replicated. That said, many of the features can. Studies that examine biological children of parents are not just "biological children". They are children that were born and raised by the same two people without ever experiencing divorce or any other circumstances that abruptly changed their relationship with parental figures, as well as having genetic relation. One question is which features are more significant... the stability, or the genetic relation? Of the studies I've seen that compare children raised by biological parents to children raised by same-sex couples, I've never seen them compare them to same-sex couples of similar situation... i.e. couples that used artificial insemination/surrogacy and never got divorced, and thus can be more directly compared to the children raised by biological parents. Such a study would demonstrate whether it's the stability that matters, or whether it's really the gender mix or genetic relation (or both) that matters.

    I suspect, of course, that it's the stability. People saying "biological parents are best" are really just saying "stable parents from birth are best", which could include same-sex couples if it were not for the fact that these studies never compare similarly situated same-sex couples.

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    Well, to me knowledge, he never said straight people should not be able to have kids (unlike what gay people are often told).
     
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    Are you soft in the head?! The Lord forbiddith filthy fornication, bastardization, and trips to Disney Land that our family budget cannot commission. Us Straights get away with murder...like Richard Ramirez...R.I.P. :blankstare:
     
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    I see nothing here to indicate hatred of straight people. Here is what I think might have made the difference in this study- same sex couples usually have to jump through a lot of hoops to become parents, especially through adoption. They have to really prove they are up to the task. So of course, once going through all that screening, you'll see same sex couples being great parents. Perhaps a better comparison would be between infertile straight couples who adopt vs gay couples who adopt. Does that make sense?
     
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    Fair enough.

    ...I'm not sure if this is parody or not.
     
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    Thats why all these gay parenting studies avoid such a comparison. Even when they dont rely upon volunteers from gay publications, they inform the subjects of the questions and purpose of the study, and then ask the gay parents subjective questions about how great they are as parents.
    Studies on the advantages of biological parents examine objective factors such as poverty rates, rates of juvenile delinquincy, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal conviction as an adult.
     
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    Yes it can. Notice these gay studies never make such a comparison. The most often cited studies proclaiming gays make better parents, looked at a small sample of lesbian women who had used fertility clinics and a sperm donor. They had a ready supply of compareable heterosexual subjects. Heterosexual couples who had used fertility clinics and sperm donors, but instead they looked to all children with a male and female parent present in the house including step parents. And we get these silly claims that gays actually make better parents.
     
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