Geneva fallout: Iran becomes a nuclear power, followed by Saudis. Israel loses trust

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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Geneva fallout: Iran becomes a nuclear power, followed by Saudis. Israel loses trust in Obama

    Falling-out between two allies over nuclear Iran

    Israel’s most painful lesson from the two-day Geneva conference on Iran’s nuclear program is that the man who guaranteed to defend Israel’s security, President Barack Obama, is now marching hand in hand with Tehran towards a nuclear-armed Iran. This is the reality behind the fuss and excitement surrounding the signing ceremony in Geneva Friday, Nov. 8, and the slick words gushing forth to put a convincing face on the interim deal put together between Iran and the Six Powers Thursday and Friday. President Obama broke the news to NBC Thursday night: “There is a possibility of a phased agreement, the first part of which would stop Iran from further expanding its nuclear program. We are offering modest relief from the sanctions, but keeping the core sanctions in place, so that if it turned out during the course of the six months when we're trying to resolve some bigger issues that they're backing out of the deal or… not giving us assurances that they're not developing a nuclear weapon, we can crank that dial back up," the US president said. Friday morning, when US Secretary of State John Kerry was heading for Geneva to join Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif for the final signing stage, it was still unclear what Iran is willing to concede.

    This is because no one was ready to admit exactly what the agreed “freeze” applied to and how far it is from “dismantlement “

    Iran had in fact already achieved all the makings of a nuclear bomb and was holding them in place ready for assembly. Uranium enrichment will furthermore continue although at a low grade.

    At any moment, Tehran may decide to assemble those components and produce a bomb and has the capacity to do so before the US or Israel catch on to what is happening.

    The accord to be signed Friday elevates Iran automatically to the rank of a nuclear power, which already holds Syria, Iraq and Lebanon under its sway. The radical alliance binding Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Syria’s Bashar Assad and Hizballah’s Hassan Nasrallah has triumphed. Israel fell down badly by trusting the Obama administration to break this axis up before it spreads more violence and havoc across the region.

    Before setting off for Geneva, Secretary Kerry warned Israel that the breakdown of talks with the Palestinians would result in a third “intifada.”

    But he made no reference to the Iranian nuclear intifada now looming over Israel and the entire Middle East.

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    Has Obama and his cabal become the Chamberlain of the 21st Century? Will these actions prove to be the beginning of a holocaust the proportions of which will make WWII appear to be a skirmish?
     
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    Sheesh .. its DEBKA..................
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can that also be said for Daily Kos, Moveon, TPM, AlterNet, or Media matters?
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Here's the headline..

    Geneva fallout: Iran becomes a nuclear power, followed by Saudis. Israel loses trust in Obama

    Its dreck.. Neither KSA nr Iran are nuclear powers and Israel has NEVER trusted anyone.
     
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    When did they become Zionist blogs?

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    No one trusts Isreal either.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Correction, they are anti-Zionist blogs.

    I trust Israel more than I do Iran, or the Saudi's
     
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    Netanyahu made a fool of himself with his outlandish claims yesterday.

    His problem is that he doesn't have a seat at the table, and isn't going to get one.

    The major powers want this settled now. The United States definately has a vested interest in it, as bringing Iran back into the international community will lesson the impact of thier influence in Baghdad (another consequence of Mr Bush's ill concieved war) and possibly end the Syrian civil war.

    Indeed, a settlement would probably be good for stability across the Middle East.

    Which is something Isreal certainly doesn't want.
     
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    Good post.. and BIBI will be all over the media raising h*ll like he always is.
     
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    I'm sure Fox Noise will give him a platform.
     
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    Yes it can.

    I'm a leftist and refused to comment earlier on a post that came from AlterNet because of its political bias. There is no way I'm going to bother posting on this for the same reason. You might try thinking for yourself rather than parroting up garbage from extremist news sites.

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    I don't trust any of them.
     
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    How do you know?
     
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    The headline is premature.. and so far dishonest.

    However, to nip any possible progress in the bud, Netanyahu this week announced plans for 3,500 new settler homes in the West Bank. In other words, rather than playing along with Kerry and letting the talks collapse later, Netanyahu is pulling the plug out before it's even in the wall.

    continued

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-ros...b_4240597.html
     
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    Not an answer. How do you know neither KSA nor Iran are 'nuclear powers'?
     
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    Not yet..

    Only Israel has nukes... but if they keep threatening to bomb Iran I'm sure there will be a proliferation of nukes in the region.
     
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    And if Iran keeps pumping rockets into Israel, to the point of forcing them to establish a blockade, then I'm sure Israel will attack them periodically. It's not Iran's land, and they need to stay out of Israel's business. I constantly bring this up at school and here. What about Iranian's actions toward Israel for decades now? They pump out IED's toward Iraq and Afghan, and rockets and IED's to Israel for decades, and they are in general excused. Wow...
     
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    What "actions"?
     
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    The facilitation of movement of terrorists and their arms throughout the Middle East for decades, in order to attack Israel on their land, and in order to attack American forces in Afghan and Iraq.
     
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    Have you forgotten that we used Iraq to make life difficult for Iran?
     
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    I would hope we made it somewhat "difficult" for them. It's the least we can do while they are assisting in killing our brothers and sisters.
     
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    Your brothers and sisters?
     
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    UN troops I watched die for a decade. And third country nationals who probably died at a higher rate than UN forces, but unfortunately don't receive recognition for their sacrifices for our cause. Killed at the hands of terrorists, who no doubt had help moving about the ME through Iran. And who had help from Iran in explosives training, supply, and transport.
     

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