George Floyd autopsy report surprise!

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    You are correct, of course, but the 'authorities' rushed out charges before completion of the autopsy against the one cop in hopes that it would somewhat appease the mob, and keep this rat-herd from going on with destruction, arson, looting, and rioting.

    The 'authorities' were wrong... and it's only gotten worse, and now it's spread from one American city to another.
     
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    After watching that video, you don't think the cop had anything to do with that guy's death? After kneeling on his neck like that and him saying he couldn't breathe? really?
     
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    Well that certainly justifies what is going on, huh?
     
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    The only thing we can be absolutely sure of is that when black looters burn down and ransack their own community, it is the fault of white racists.

     
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    Not really interested in babbling..
     
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    Rioters Decline To Sign Colin Kaepernick.

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    MINNEAPOLIS, MN—Colin Kaepernick arrived at the Minneapolis riots last night, saying he was excited to be a part of the looting and violence.

    Kaepernick tried out for the riots by throwing bricks into windows but missed every time. He was able to rush a Molotov cocktail into a target window and then spike it on the ground, but then he caught fire. Finally, in a last-ditch effort to get selected for one of the riot squads, he filmed a workout video and sent it to various protester organizations but hadn't heard back as of publishing time.

    "While we appreciate Kaepernick's enthusiasm, we need someone who can lob a Molotov cocktail accurately," said a representative for the rioters. "We wish him the best of luck in his future rioting career. We believe Kaepernick will land on his feet with another rioting organization. Maybe Chicago or Louisville will want him."

    The former quarterback quickly blamed his failed rioting career on racism.
     
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    Many solutions for violent street riots have been available for decades.


    “ • Antitraction Technology: Teflon-type environmentally neutral lubricants that make footholds or traction exceedingly difficult
    • Sticky Foam: Incredibly adhesive foam that immobilizes individuals
    • Anesthetics: Tranquilizers, dispensed with gas or darts, that could put people to sleep
    • Infrasound: Low-frequency sound generators that incapacitate individuals by causing nausea, disorientation, and bowel spasms
    • Microwave Transmitters: Directionally oriented devices that heat skin to an unbearable degree as people approach them
    This list represents only a portion of the new nonlethal riot-control technologies.”
    http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/96autumn/stanton.htm

    Corrupt, violence prone police under the command of corrupt politicians will always tend to incite violence.
     
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    Actually, most of the Great Society was color blind.

    LBJ was great at passing programs, and useless at managing them once they were deployed. There's a lot to unpack there, so I suggest you go learn the basics first.

    Congress didn't want to spend a lot of money on Black people. They gave them preferential treatment, where they could, because it didn't cost anything.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity... Perhaps you've heard of it?
     
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    From the charging document:

    "Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the passenger side of the car at 8:19 p.m. and Floyd went to the ground face down while still handcuffed."
    ...

    "At 8:24 p.m., Floyd stopped moving. Kueng then checked Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said “I couldn’t find one.” The officers continued to hold their positions.

    At 8:27 p.m., Chauvin removed his knee from Floyd’s neck as medics arrived. Floyd was taken away in the ambulance. He was pronounced dead at Hennepin Healthcare."

    That cop was kneeling on a handcuffed dead guy for three minutes. The jury will have to deliberate about two seconds on this one.
     
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    We haven't seen an autopsy report yet. Just some select quotes by the prosecutor. Positional asphixia is the primary cause. Physical signs of strangulation would be ligature marks or broken bones in neck. Absence of those does not even rule out strangulation. We have video.
     
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    Apparently, Floyd and the cop worked for the same night club. As someone who’ve been doing accounting for night clubs and event promoters in the past, I can guarantee you that they knew each other.
    Considering the fact above, I think prosecution should definitely explore the past relationship between those two to see if there were any potential conflicts between them in the past. Watching that cop strangling Floyd and realizing the two knew each other makes this story even uglier.
    This could very well be murder 1, but those prosecutors need to get off their behinds and do their jobs.
    Please note, this is not a race issue. I think the cop has no business being a cop and should serve time.
    Real instigators are leftist mass media who make everything about race. If the cop was so racist as to kill for no other reason but race then I seriously doubt he’d last in the police department for almost 20 years without at least being fired for misconduct.

    Maybe the cop was rough with Floyd because he thought that since they intercepted in the past in that night club and worked together, then “Floyd knew better than fighting police” and that’s why the cop was strangling him for so long. Sometimes people are extra rough with others “who knew better”. There is also a serious possibility that there was some bad blood between the two.
     
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    RICCI Ellsworth (idiotic meme doesn't even get her name right), was murdered by her ex-boyfriend who happened to be a cop. He wasn't acting as a cop at the time (off duty), it wasn't racial, etc. Domestic abuse is terrible, but there isn't really a central power to protest against to draw attention to it.

    In other words, posting that meme is fractally wrong.

    Edit: Actually, I can't find any information indicating he was a cop. He spent time in jail for raping her, too. If he had been a cop, surely he wasn't still on the force when she disappeared.
     
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    Wrong question. The question is if the last two weren't present would he likely be alive and the answer is yes. He complained of shortness of breath while just standing by the patrol car, he was already in cardiac distress. Had he not had those condidtions and was alive today should charges be brought against the one officer for the purposeful pain and suffering? YES.....got that? But the actual cause of death is now in question and the ME says it was NOT strangulation or asphyxiation.

    But to your question severe coronary disease and intoxicants, no he might not be alive. Waiting to see what are those intoxicants and to what levels.
     
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    You forgot to add committing a crime.
     
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    The shortness of breath, the cardiac distress started before any abuse the the officer.
     
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    At this point, Almost ALL of the People causing the Destructive Chaos are Organized Agitators (from other states) that are conducting these "protests" with strategic planning.

    The Cops, Nat. Guard, Etc. are facing an Organized Military Operation.

    Tonight, there has to be a No Tolerance Policy for Curfew Violation.

    There needs to be Mass Arrests tonight.

    Anybody (among these "protesters") who is looking to provoke a law enforcement response should be met with overwhelming force.
     
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    Certainly as you say whites also received benefits from these programs, but you and I both know these programs were created in response to, and as a means of preventing, future black urban riots. That strategy has clearly failed. All Democratic party urban programs have failed including Clinton's expansion of police forces in American cites and his signature midnight basketball program.

    Good job at deflecting the responsibility of local Democratic Governments for the abuse of back people. And by deflect I mean ignore.

    As a final comment, as a taxpayer I neither have the time nor inclination to "unpack" every Government program. The members of Congress don't have time to unpack the legislation they vote on -- let alone even read the bills. As an average taxpayer, I simply want to know what the high level objectives of high cost programs are, what do they cost, and do they work. An objective, if not THE objective of the great society was to prevent black urban riots. These programs cost a lot of money and have failed. Maybe it is time to stop doing what has failed and do something else.

    And I have to add -- your solution is what exactly? Expand welfare programs? You can't propose voting for Democrats, because the riots (as I will keep pointing out) take place in cities run by Democrats.
     
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    Why not.

    Millions of people are forcibly arrested every year and they don't die either.

    I guess we can't reasonably conclude that kneeling on him killed him either then.
     
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    I like the idea of a combination of anti traction and infrasound. Cany stand up but actively crapping your pants.

    Its perfect!
     
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    You got the wrong case.
     
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    +100. Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.
     
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    No the treatment on the ground was not justified and were Floyd alive today at the least the one officer should he charge with a crime. The question is did those actions cause the homicide, the death. We now know Floyd was already in cardiac distress before he was in the ground. That brought on by the LEGAL arrest and force used when he was resisting that arrest. If he was not strangled or asphyxiated by the actions of the police hut died because of his existing severe coronary problems then why are they charged with his death?
     
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    Well, George Floyd did not fight during arrest; that is conclusive from the two different camera angles. It was already reported that the manner in which Derek Chauvin had his knee on George Floyd's neck was not department approved and since we see Floyd is not resisting it was not an emergency requirement to additionally restrain him.

    Derek Chauvin had a host of serious complaints against him prior to the murder of Floyd:

    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020...n-involved-in-use-of-force-situations-before/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ed-fatal-force-before-had-history-complaints/

    Now in terms of pathophysiology and anatomical compensatory mechanisms, the knee on the neck was at the very least instrumental in exacerbating pre-existing conditions and brought about greater cardio-pulmonary distress had Floyd just been handcuffed sitting up, or had not been arrested at all. There is no doubt the knee on the neck distressed Floyd's organ compensatory mechanisms. In no way is this not some form of murder. Derek Chauvin did not listen to George Floyd's pleas to get his knee off of his neck and then Floyd died as a result.
     
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    We do not know Floyd was in cardiac arrest before he hit the ground. He was certainly in cardiac arrest when the EMS arrived after being on the ground.

    https://www.ems1.com/fatal-incident...iac-arrest-when-ems-arrived-xtikhsaX8aF14EFn/
     
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    And no firearms required.
     

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