Georges Lemaître: Father of The Big Bang Theory

You got any pop corn to go with this 'socialist' Liberal Utopia movie..??

 

I do, but you'd probably only manage to choke on it anyway.

 

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So you ascribe to the idea that this is how you were created and there is no way to escape it?

Then you are OK that God has created you or anyone else who was placed into this position of life just for the sake of destroying it, judging it, and condemning it to death?

What is the offering of knowledge to those who were lucky enough to have been destined for God's grace if this is true?

 

I for one, in an infinite number of lives....could not accept an offering of grace from a God that would create a life just to be a vessel of his destruction..... That is a God I would never want to know!

 

Maybe Satan inspired the bible and this is God's true test?

 

Just being funny of course!

 

He 'begot' His dear Son thru a woman to come to this earth for the purpose of 'being destroyed,' aka shedding His blood unto savage beating by men and suffering on a cross to death.

But as scripture says, "His thoughts are higher than our thoughts, and His ways higher than our ways."

And again, "Will the clay ask the potter of what he will be made into---a vessel of honor, or a vessel of dishonor?"

It all comes down to 'trusting God' and 'not relying on our own understanding' (also per scripture)

Neither you nor I know what the plan of God is---some believe in a 'total restoration,' as eternity is in reality a fixed period of time during an infinite timeline...I cant fully justify that thought, but some dig out a couple scriptures to back their belief in such..

Again, it comes down to trusting God 'at His word,' which is why the Believer covets the scriptures as 'promises.'

 

1. Unless I'm missing something, yes.

2. I wouldn't agree that the purpose was just for the sake of destroying it but rather all life going toward the greater good.

3. Perceivably good and bad people were given life, both have their good times and their bad times.. Some care less, some care more. Again,we have all been born into destruction, it is the only way to progress when necessary.

 

Trust a God that would create a life to be a vessel of dishonor? That poses more questions of a sane God, than it promotes in one to be trusted....
Blind faith, that is what we are supposed to do?
Why give us the ability to reason, if we are going to be given examples that are highly unreasonable?
Doubt?
No problems there!

 

So if every life was a perfect piece of the model to an expressive push towards the greater good; where does judgement come in to play?

The only reasonable conclusion to God creating lives with the knowledge of what they would become, would be to serve the knowledge that pushes humanity towards the greater good..... If every life is serving that purpose, why would you reward some and punish others?

 

Trusting in God is NOT practicing 'blind faith!' Scripture says that "Faith comes by hearing (& reading) the word of God." His word contains His promises. Just as "if any man comes to Him , he will in no wise be cast out." And many, many, more promises that instill faith into the believer.

And physical death (the 1st death) is called 'sleeping' as such for the believer until 'the time' of the resurrection; but spiritual death is called the 2nd death...or finality.

 

Well, I read the entire bible and listened with every fiber of my being with an open heart, gave it great thought.... I could only conclude and have an incredible amount of faith, that God would definitely be much more beautiful, much more brilliant and infinitely more loving than the one I was reading about!

 

Final Note To God,
I'm very sorry I didn't have faith in you, I actually regarded you as something much more grand than what I saw when reading about you.
I hope that you can find mercy in realizing that I thought your love was all encompassing and that no life needed to be discarded in realizing it.
Sincerely,
R

 

You need to spend your time reading the NT, as the OT is a covenant of Laws: whereas, the NT is a covenant of Grace. As Paul says, "All scripture is profitable for instruction, etc.," but the Christian, the follower of Christ, shud focus on His words and the words of those that he picked as disciples, and their spiritual 'off-spring.'

And scripture is but dead letters of print on paper pages w/o the Holy Spirit to illuminate them...it's the Spirit of the words and His behind them that counts for personal revelation.

Got supper waiting..good luck with your struggles ...OD

 

It comes to each person when necessary.

I think it's the same concept when you punish or reward your children.

i.e Punish/correct .. It is written,God corrects those he loves.

 

Actually, it can't come to each person when necessary, this is the very antithesis of the belief.....
If we are predestined, hence, if God knew in the very moment creating us the entire outcome.... There are many that it never comes too, and it is by design to be that way.

 

...and only God alone knows the entire outcome. Predestination doesn't preclude judgment.

 

No it doesn't, it is one and the same..... God has judged his own creation before he ever gave it the soul to match it with it's attributes, knowing it's entire outcome, hence, it was judged in the moment it was created..... Somehow then we say it is the fault of the individual?

Freewill only exists as a concept where every life is worthy of God's grace and a reflection of what the entire body of humanity as an expression becomes.

 

So if God created a life that wouldn't choose him, knowing that it wouldn't; it was created exactly in that model not too.... Thereby following his exact plan; if the life followed his plan to a T, why then would he judge it for doing so?

 

Romans 9
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

You see, you can't win for losing in this foolish game; it is only for those who were created a vessel of his mercy.

 

1. It is one in the same from God's perspective, yes but I said judgment comes to 'us' when necessary. We do not know the final outcome of everyone or anyone for that matter.

2. I'm not preaching freewill

 

So if we're all just pawns in a game for the discovery of knowledge, why introduce utter foolishness in suggesting one pawn is greater than the other, when they are in fact playing out their part perfectly within the design?

 

Please specify where this is coming from. (bold)

 

Romans 9

22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Now this one stands out to me; within the Christian belief, we don't really have a choice, it is dogmatically stated that God creates either a vessel of his mercy, or a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction.
God does so to make his power known to those he has created to be destroyed; and on the other spectrum, make the riches of his glory known to those he has created to receive it.

Now, I began to explore the depths of this within myself; and I wondered if I was actually given the choice, which one I would desire to become.... Which one would I choose?

If without question, this belief is true.... The only sensible response would be to choose mercy and knowledge of God's glory.... Who would choose otherwise, to become a vessel of wrath?

But then I begin to think deeper, if this is a necessity for knowledge, for God's power and glory to be known..... Then someone has to be that vessel, fitted to destruction. I am actually not the type of person who could choose glory for himself, in an infinite number of lives I would make that sacrifice that another would have his glory...... If all of this is true, I am that vessel... I could never have chosen better for myself.