Geraldo: ‘The hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon’s death as Zimmerman

A 6'2", 140 lbs kid against a 200+ lbs 28 year old with a gun. . . seems fair? (NOT!)

Who is that "witness" who saw the kid on top of Zimmerman? . .because there certainly are witnesses who saw Zimmerman STRADDLING the face down body of the kid that he had just shot!

Who said that the kid had "climbed over the back fence? I thought he had just walked from the back entrance (probably the closest one from the 9/11 store.

What would have happened if Zimmerman had stayed in his SUV and waited for the police to arrive and interrogate the kid? Would the kid be dead today?

What would have happened if Zimmerman had ignored the dispatcher suggestion NOT to follow the kid, BUT had left his gun in his SUV?

What about the kid's right to "stand his ground?"

That is why we NEED a formal, and thorough investigation. That is why people are angry. . . because, due to the lack of follow up of the Sanford police, many important information has already been lost (i.e., alcohol/drug testing of Zimmerman; traces of powder on the body and on Zimmerman's clothes; was an IMMEDIATE reenactment of the whole scene with pictures. tracing of signs of struggle, running, position of the cell phone from the body, etc. . . done? It seems not!).

 

Trayvon was 6'2"?? That's interesting. My guess is the reported weight is off. He was thin but not that thin. And I doubt they pulled out a scale and weighed him at the crime scene.

My guess is the kid was strong and put the hurt on Zimmerman after being cornered. Zimmerman shot him. He should go do jail.

 

Finally, we can agree on this!

An thorough investigation is ALL everyone is asking. . .but because of the time wasted, because of the details that were NOT taken on the scene of the crime or even at the police station (i.e., alcohol/drug test for Zimmerman; gun powder on Zimmerman's clothes; pictures of the scene what would show struggle, running, and where the phone fell out), it will be much more difficult to determine without doubt what really happened.

And, the Sanford police has been ignoring the calls of several witnesses (including the young woman who was on the phone with Trayvor when Zimmerman was following him). . .and that seems like a "white wash" or "cover up" of evidence. At least one witness has also reported that he/she heard TRAYVOR's cry. . .and that the police insisted it was Zimmerman's calls!. . .leading the witness!

If there hadn't been such an outcry. . .this case would have been swept under the rug. . .and Trayvor's death been tagged as another "successful story of stopping a home invasion with a lawful gun!) What a joke!

 

You are correct, I occasionally wore a hoodie about five years ago. I was 13 then, and teens sometimes feel insucure. A hoodie can be somehow psychologically comforting - like you escape from the world because you can't see it. My mum (who can be more conservative than Attila the Hen) didn't like it, so she made me get rid of it. But I suspect she might have been a touch ******* off had I been shot dead for wearing a hoodie.

And Martin wasn't even trespassing, he was visiting people who lived in the village.

 

The boy didn't jump the gate - he was there spending time w/his dad and later went to the store to get goodies for his little brother ... and ended up in the morgue.......

 

George was Neighborhood watchman not a cop but he had a cop fetish because he failed to become a cop...twice and this was the closest he would ever come to realizing his obsession.

 

The OPs story is over a year old. Roderick why did you dig this thread up?

It was raining. Hoodie is appropriate gear for rain. Geraldo is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing moron.

 

Because I wanted to??????

The other threads on this subject have been locked.

 

Why do you feel you are qualified to speak to Zimmerman's state of mind? How do you know his thoughts and "obsessions"? Sounds like emotional babbling to me.

 

There's a thing called an autopsy---Trayvon was actually 5'11 and 158lbs at the time of the autopsy.

 

Because I have read many articles about this case and one thing that comes across crystal clear is that George wanted a career in law enforcement.

He even went on ride-alongs with the Sanford PD like some child.

Do your own research and you will come away with the same impression.

 

I understand that he wanted to be a cop. That does not make it an obsession. You have no idea what was going on in his head. You are inventing a scenario in your head to support your position on the events. It is completely contrived. That might make you angry, but imagine if based on what I know about TM, I began inventing what was going through his wanna-be thug head when he started whoopin on that short fat white dude...

It would be ridiculous. He might have been thinking about puppies when GZ grabbed him... or he may have felt justified in giving the guy an ass whoopin for following him. Maybe he felt like when the Koreans watch him in the store... assuming he is going to steal something and it made him angry... maybe all kinds of (*)(*)(*)(*). To presume you know the mind of strangers in an incident because you read some articles is kook (*)(*)(*)(*). It is born of a desire to frame something you do not understand, and victimize one side and demonize the other. In short... your fantasies are completely worthless and you should try to stick to facts.

 

Sooner or later the court will hear the case.

Zimmermann will testify that Martin was pounding his head on the concrete and showed no sign of stopping so Zimmermann (fearing for his life) shot Martin.

As far as i can tell, there is no one who can say otherwise. Whether Zimmermann self-inflicted his head injuries cannot be proved, and failing that the court will have to believe Zimmermann because there is no one to credibly refute him. Zimmermann wins 1-0.

At the end of the day, the prosecution has no case unless they have some secret surveillance tape or something like it.

Unless the prosecution holds surprise evidence I don't even see how a grand jury can return a true bill. Failure to return a true bill is a huge rebuke to the prosecution and opens them to charges of false arrest. And it makes a vindication of Zimmermann a matter of public record.

Further a state vindication, while not precluding a federal case, forces the corrupt Holder DoJ to convene the Mother of All Kangaroo Courts to bring a case that flies in the face of a matter of public record. And at the end of the day, the feds have no credible evidence.

 

I kinda missed where the MAINSTREAM MEDIA were calling Zimmerman a "White-Supremacist, Nazi,*************bag"

Got any links?

 

I'm afraid you have come to the party about a year late. No one at this point on either side can be bothered bringing you up to speed. Go back and read thousands of posts here there and everywhere and the now infamous "evidence dumps" some real some fantasy then come back with an informed opinion.

 

so its a tragedy but you don't care?

 

Yeah and she wasn't a '911' operator. She was an NEN operator but let's not let the facts get in the way. How is it that so many people can be so stupid they can't understand what they read? I KNOW! b/c they were 'streamed' through Liberal Indoctrination Centers and when they got their worthless piece of toilet paper they couldn't read or write. "Is a duck a bird?".

 

I'll use your spelling /grammar so you'll feel more comfortable:if store man chas dwn thief down then thief sucker-pucnch store owner man and jump himto give store man beet down than store men get two shot thief. Maybe 'meelow men two meelow?

 

Wow it sounds as if you have it all figured out. NOT!!

There will be expert witnesses will testify that George's injuries don't match his story and they definitely weren't life threatening and there will be neurologists who will testify to the symptoms that George was experiences don't match what witnesses state that they saw after the shooting.

There is forensic evidence that George was holding the shirt under Trayvon's hoodie when he shot Trayvon and the trajectory of the bullet will prove that they were both standing up when George shot him and not George on his back with Trayvon standing over him as George claims.

If that's not enough there are text messages from George to a either Rev. Al or Jesse Jackson and to Trayvon's father referring to the shooting that both the State and the defense have kept under seal because if it were leaked to the public it would prevent George from getting a fair trial.

As for your Holder-Corey-Scott Axis of Evil theory take off the tinfold hat or it doesn't matter because there is more than enough evidence to convict George of Murder 2 because if there weren't why did O'Mara decide to forego the immunity hearing which could have been scheduled for April 22 which is a little over three weeks from now?

I mean Little Georgie's nightmare could over in a matter of weeks but he prefers to let it drag out for an additional two months?

Ask yourself why an innocent man against whom he claims the State doesn't have any evidence would postpost his own vindication?

BTW if the feds didn't have any credible evidence why does O'Mara want a peek at what they have been gathering?

Because if the feds have enough to nail George O'Mara has to figure out if he wants to plea bargain with the State of FL or if O'Mara doesn't believe the feds have enough evidence to convict George on federal charges O'mara will roll the dice on a jury trial and hope that he can get one sympathetic juror who will vote against convitcing his client ending in a hung jury.

Even if the the DOJ doesn't indict George he could still face charges of 'smurfing' those defense fund donations because me made sure that his wife deposited less than $10K at a time as to not have to fill out the form from the IRS.

Remember when law enforcement couldn't get Al Capone the IRS did.

 

Have you listened to George's NEN call from that night?

We know someone was angry that night and it wasn't Trayvon.

 

If you look at the events that night George was the one who set everything in motion and initiated the events so the burden of responsibilty does fall on him.

 

You have no idea what was going through TMs head... but the damage he did to GZ's face and head certainly indicates he had some anger issues.

Again... there is no point in debating your fantasies... they are imagined... I may as well argue with you about your recollection of a dream you had last year... it's fruitless.

 

Bad guy:
Trayvon - Did he get confronted and attack Zimmerman?
George - Did Zimmerman attack him?
George - Was Zimmerman intoxicated?
Trayvon - Was Zimmerman mounted getting beat up as some reports say?
George - Was Zimmerman a latino racist?

Pretty even... perhaps you have some history with this user from which to suggest they are dishonest... but I found the OP sensible and balanced.

 

Uuuh, that's sort of RACIST!!! I wish I was kidding, but that's what the media tells me=(

 

You told me not to guess about how George wanted to be a cop when it's fairly clear that he wanted to become one badly everyone of his friends and family make that claim yet you know for sure that Trayvon was angry that night? LOL

We don't know that Trayvon even touched George because there was no DNA under Trayvon's fingernails which there should have been plenty if what George stated Trayvon had done to him was true.

Maybe Trayvon felt as if he were fighting for his life after George had:
1) followed Trayvon who was on foot in his truck
2) stared Trayvon down while Trayvon was standing at the mail koisk
3)said:" Sh!t he's running (away)" and you can hear him follow Trayvon