Geraldo Rivera Said Zimmerman Started the Fight >> (?????)

As I've said numerous times before, NW instructions come from police departments (usually). This is why they are so commonly written wrongly. Police know policing very well. They DON'T know security very well, and the NW rules are contrary to state of Florida prescribed rules for security.

Read the previous post (# 50). Everything I said in it goes for you too. The dispatcher should have been told by Zimmerman >> "What you need, isn't the issue. My responsibility is to observe and report, and to follow and challenge anyone suspected of being contrary to site security. Please don't try to tell security people what to do in our line of work, nor will I attempt to tell you how to do your police work."

 

NW has been a successful program across the US for over 40 years.. They don't kill people.. but YOU know better.. LOLOLOL

 

did you see wendy dorival give george such a great recommendation. she said they wanted to make george the citizens on patrol person also but he turned it down. looks like george was popular among the spd.

 

Lest she forgets that, lol. Remember, Wendy was going to slaughter George, said Margot, lol.

 

He has talked. He says he didn't start the fight.

 

SURE HE WAS! "Security guard" is just a term that means ANYONE who is providing security to something (in this case, an apartment complex). That "no damn security guard" line is about as relevant as a rock in the bottom of a pond.

 

1. Unless it's raining ? HA HA HA.. EARTH TO GERALDO: It WAS raining.

2. The hoodie did it. Yup. Da-mn those hoodies. So then we just get a hoodie. Put it on a hanger...and hang it up in a prison cell for 30 years. That'll show those da-mn hoodies a thing or two.

And where does he get this idea that Zimmerman is guilty of anything ? Or the idea that Martin was innocent ?

Conclusion: This is a good guy to not pay much attention to.

 

From how he has conducted himself in security, he could work on my team (if I still had one) anytime. Lots of calls to police, following and challenging suspects. This is a guy who cares about his homeplace, and is DOING HIS JOB.

 

Geraldo pussed out on this story because he correctly, actually nailed it from the beginning and knew Tray was a thug, but his son pulled at his heart strings, or something gay like that. I hate him. He could have been the latino voice for George but hes a wuss bag and he needs to just focus on impregnating young beauties every decade or so.

 

Yep, but how is it none of his neighbors who testified knew who he was since he was so popular.

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See that is where you lose your asinine arguement. He had NO authority to question or detain anyone so therefore he was not security.

 

When did that piece of crap become a trained security guard.? When was he ever more than just an obnoxious thug who got a position by creating it for himself?

 

You are clueless as to proper procedures. What kind of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) security guard does not identify himself as a security guard to distinguish himself from any boy bumper?

If what that slob did prior to the physical fight was legal in Florida, then Florida has the most (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up laws in the country relating to the powers of a security guard.

In WA he would be unemployable for the rest of his life just having the gun and no training card for an armed security officer.

NO, you may NOT lecture me on this subject. I have had the training from people who know what they are talking about.

 

1. Detain is irrelevant. At no time was Zimmerman attempting to detain Martin.

2. Zimmerman had all the authority he needs to question Martin, or anyone else. In fact, anyone has the authority to question anyone. Where do you get the idea that talking to somebody requires some kind of certain "authority".?

3. Of course, he was "security". That's what NW folks do. They provide security. What do you think they're doing out there ? Practicing ballet steps ?

 

I don't know the date.

 

He was not given the position on NW. He created the job by going to the NW watch liasson at SPD and nobody else wanted the job. There is no indication that he ever really DID the job. Lots of cases of his playing cops and robbers and bothering innocent people.

And NO, the fat bastard was not lawfully armed to security guard standards. He had the wrong kind of license. Punk boy has no clue how to be a security guard.

Don't lecture me. I have worked private security in several capacities.

 

And, as I have told you, NW isn't security. They don't wear uniforms to identify themselves as security and they don't get the same training as security. They are supposed to be eyes and ears only.

 

Oh, this is cute. I'M clueless to proper procedures, huh ? HA HA HA HA.

1. EARTH TO LEFTY - TOTALLY CLUELESS SERGEANT: You have it completely backwards. I am the one who has a state of Florida Security Officer D license in MY pocket. Do YOU have that ? I am who succesfully completed a Florida 40 hour course to EARN that license. Did you pay those dues ? I am the one who has worked in security for 38 years, in 4 states of the USA, and in different companies, and got a ton of experience. Did YOU do that ?

2. Besides Florida, I also worked in security in New York, California, and Tennessee. All have practical identical procedure.

3. In WA, don't people have licenses to carry guns ? And don't they have NW people, who are without training cards for an armed security officer ?

4. I already HAVE LECTURED you. If you have gotten training in security, I can assure you that neither they or you have the foggiest idea of what any of you are talking about.

 

Apparently now just following someone is tantamount to picking a fight.

 

And, as I have told you, NW most certainly IS security. IT DOESN'T MATTER if they wear uniforms. IT DOESN'T MATTER if they get training. or none at all. And NO, they are not supposed to be "eyes and ears only". They are supposed to be EYES, EARS, and MOUTH, all with which to observe and report, and to challenge anyone questionable pertaining to client rules. Here in Florida, their duties are no different than those of licensed security guards.

 

Who cares what Geraldo says? From the info we know, it seems highly unlikely Z started a fight in order to shoot someone AFTER calling the cops, unless he was a complete sociopath, which is far fetched . Wait for the jury, since thats all that matters.

 

In the eyes and distorted minds of Trayvon Martin fans.

 

You are wrong according to the testimony of the NW coordinator with the Sanford Police Dept. They lady that set up the NW with Zimmerman said they are not told to do the job of the police and they are not told to follow suspicious people. I don't care what you claim Florida Law says, it would be idiotic to think NW is the same as Security under any law.

 

I AM lecturing you, bullheaded as you are (which is not my problem).

Oh you've worked private security huh ? Several capacities, huh ? LOL. And just what were those ? Rewriting all the fundamental rules of industrial security ?

"No indication that he ever really DID the job" ? Man, you sure have a boatload of obviously wrong things to say. Zimmerman was known for having made many calls to police in the past. That's called Observing & Reporting. It's also called >> really doing the job.

And nobody ever said that Zimmerman (our next Governor) had a security guard gun license, nor did he need one for his position. He had a legal license for his gun.

And he very much DID know how to be a security guard. YOU are the one who is ignorant of that. You have said there was something wrong with Zimmerman following a suspect. HA HA. you don't know how ridiculous you sound. Following and Challenging is routine activity for guards. Maybe instead of this thread, you could take up knitting.

 

Facts not in evidence. He was chasing Martin.

Show me the law that you have to put up with a boy bumper asking you where you live?

Did you watch the same trial I did?

 

That lady is just as WRONG as the police dispatcher who talked to Zimmerman. Neither NW or police know squat about security. Both are notorious for having very screwed up protocols when it comes to security. That's because the police aren't security. They are not defenders of single sites. They are mobile responders who drive around through many sites, over wide areas and respond to radio calls. So when NW people call them asking for a game plan, they should refuse, and redirect the NWs to a professional security company who knows the state's rules and how things are supposed to be done.

Know why don't do that ? Let me let you in on a little secret. Police a CONTROL FREAKS. They want to be in control of everything. They want everything to be done how they want to do it. But that's not always the correct way. And this was never more true than with industrial security. Police are like electicians trying to tell you plumber how to do his job. And the NW group is like the homeowner who stupidly lets that electrician tell your plumber how to do his job. And then the homeowner winds up with no water in is faucet. Shouls have listed to the pumber, Mr, homeowner. And NW group, you should have gotten you game plan from the security professionals, not the control freak police.

You are right that NW (and any security) are not supposed to do the job of the police (subduing and arresting suspects), but yes, security IS supposed to follow suspects (to Observe & Report). This is the defensive job of security/NW, not the police. The police job is the offensive job of responder to the report (call for assistance).

And I don't understand how you are see NW as different from any security officer (licensed or otherwise). I am curious. HOW do you see a difference ? (other than that the NW don't have to wear a company patch)