GERMANY JOINS CHORUS CASTING DOUBT ON TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIM THAT IRAN WAS BEHIND ATTACK ON OIL

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  1. Reality

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    You realize that most militaries are not run with the sort of discipline and precision, or troops able to exercise a bare minimum of common sense, that western militaries have?

    Most middle eastern militaries are an absolute **** show ala the fuedal system where you have people paying for postings or paying to be chosen or not be chosen for a particular duty etc. Its not inconceivable that a boat crew would take leave of their senses or more to the point not realize they were even ****ing up by doing what they did.
     
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    Iran said that they will increased enriched Uranium, which is in accord with the agreed texts of the Nuclear deal that President Trump unilaterally pulled out of. Hannity is nothing more than a war hawk who has no children in any U.S. military branch, so he has not a leg to stand on. Also, there was another American spy aircraft over Iran at the same time the one of the flying cousins of WALL-E was flying over Iran. The thing is, the second spyplane had people in it so the Iranians made the decision to NOT fire upon it; that is something that none of the warhawks will mention, I guess it is a case of selective amnesia.
     
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    Iran also has many enemies that would love the US to think they did this and start a war with Iran (so they did not have too), so we must be careful
     
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    Idiots are poor judges of what is idiotic

    If germany prefers russia and iran over the US thats too bad but its no skin off my nose
     
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    That's ok the EU has been rushing towards irrelevance for a while now.
     
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    The sweetheart deal obama foisted on America would not prevent iran from going nuclear in about 10 years

    Which is a blink of the eye in world history
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

    Did iran during before that attack any civilian or military ship ? i dont recall ever seeing any such incident before the US killed those 290people

    also note that while the idiot captain claims he tought it was a attack run, the radar showed the plane as climbing not descending



    wich intresting enough seems to be what happend in ukraine with russia but there they want to prosecute certain people, i wonder if the captain should have been prosecuted for it to in that case
     
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    O .... and that the rogue state Israel is nuclear armed and is alwas targting on Iran with nuclear weapons does not make you nervous ... and that the Saudis have ot probably nuclear weapons of "Made in Pakistan" and also long range missiles does not disturnb you?

    No ... of course not... but to say that Iran is mad enough to start a nuclear war is serious ... sure!
     
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    We are still important ... and that's right the reason why several people become annoyed and dig out WW-2 and the Nazis ... because all other arguments to counter German position of them melt like ice in the desert!
     
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    Still forgotten the shot down Airbus?
    You know .... it was at a a time where Iranian gun boats attacked Kuwaiti tankers, because these Kuwait tankers transported Iraqi oil of Saddam during the Irag-Iran war to make Saddams oil transport safe.

    It was told that the US ship thought the Airbus is an attacking F-Iranian F-14 jet ... and so many people believe this bullshit until today without using the brain, being sceptic and getting some knowledge,by google about the F-14!
    The Iranian F-14 is not able to attack any ground target on land or sea ... it is a pure fighter jet for air to air combat!
    And even in the US only the F-14 D was the only F-14 version to do ground attacks ... and the F-14D entered US Navy in the beginning of the 1990's ... far after the shot down Iranina Airbus!

    So ... how is this case to rate now due to the facts please?

    You know that it is very likels that Saudi Arabia still has nuclear weapons of "Made in Pakistan". It is well.known that the Saudis wrote much of the cheques fpr the Pakistani nuclear program ... and this was no donation of the Saudia!

    Ehm ... with the USA you mean?

    Yeah ... aside fact that our military is for national defense and for NATO defense ... not to play the mad dog like yours on the other side of the planet!
    And no wonder ... you sepnd more in military as the next 10 nations together in the world ranking list!

    As the US is the cancer of the complete planete?

    People like you don't get in their head that the US sanctions are illegal! And people like you are too blind to see that the US is more worse as the Iran ever is or can be in acting!

    And what is with the West Bank? Why are Israelis allowe dto rob land from Palestinians ... I means these Israeli settler terrorists?

    Because we are too samrt ot be fooled by Trump and his illegal actions against Iran ... And that India is on your side ... I get a laugh attack. Research better, before writig bullshit like now please!
     
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    It was the Candy Man—everyone knows that Iran is a peaceful and humane bastion of intellectual freedom and capitalism. How could anyone believe Iran would ever do anything evil?
     
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  12. Mandelus

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    Lol ....
    No one with some brain tells that they are angels ... but the point is that the US is pinting on Iran for evil things whcih their close ally Saudi Arabia does too, but there the US reaction is looking away and shrug!
    Take the topic Ahraia law ... the Maricans become not tired to blame the Iran for using the barbaric penalties of Sharia ... but that Sharia is same way used n Saudi Arabia with same barbaric penalties is ignored by Americans!

    The Iran Deal was one of the best deals during the last 50 years ... it had one big target: Preventing Iran for nucelar arming ... and nothing else! And Iran sticked on the deal for 100%!

    Righty Americans and dinosaurs can't forgive Iran for their bad evil deeds ... by ignoring own bad deeds of course ... and want to eleminate the Regime in Iran at all costs. So we have the salvo of lies by Trump about Iran hat not fullfilled the deal and we have the questionable issue of the Globl Hawk shot down, where it is very likely that it violated Iranian Air Space.
    We have the video of a boat at a tanker, but no evidence that this is an Iranian boat wiht Iranina persons on on the boat...
     
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    I can better understsnd Israel’s fear of 100 million arabs and 50 million fanatic prrsians, all vowed to destroy the Jewish state, than I can relate to the iranians point of bview
     
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    This is not the point and question ....
    No one denies that Israel has the right for self defense as everyone has ... but they violate intenral law and agreements like mad and are protected by the US for it by getting the card blanche from Washington.
    I am talking for issues where Washington would still have sents the Marines to anyone else of opponents as reaction if being done by them!

    Look on these Israeli settler terrorists ... and tell me why anyone must let the IAEA inspectors let in to control the reactors, but Israel must not ... tell me why Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons?
     
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    I dont deny thst Isreal gets special treatment under American foreign policy

    As an American I really admire the what the Jews have achieved in many areas including agriculture

    And their spirit to perservere against almost impossible odds in 4 major wars

    Compared to the Jews arabs are pathetic losers and complete screwups
     
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    What does Iran do, that USA does Not?

    USA Supports terrorism, has death Penalty ect
     
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    Bow to Allah.
     
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    Arms dealers?
     
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    Sanctions are illegal? Since when?
     
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    OK ... international law lesson....

    Of course, each country has the right to issue trade sanctions against another country. However, these sanctions are then binding only for the own population and the own economy ... not for other countries and their citizens / economy!
    But if this country then tries to force other countries to follow its imposed sanctions, then it will be illegal under any international law that exists or has ever existed!

    That's what the UN Security Council does, and only and exclusively, the UN Security Council is in a position to impose such global binding sanctions on all.
    Before you get upset and scold the UN Security Council and make a tirade on the meaning of the UN ... consider an important point:

    It was with the introduction of the UN your American will and your decision that the UN Security Council and only the UN Security Council should do something like that and nobody else!
    Nobody else means then also "you, the US also not!"

    Any questions?
     
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    Apparently you are not familiar with politics and that no other country ever applied pressure to other countries to protect their own interests.
     
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    You bow to the same Sand god.
     
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    You allow us Same?
     
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    Re:
    I keep hearing this mythical accusation repeated over & over by Israel's apologists, paid, trained & scripted Hasbara trolls etc but have never seen it verified.

    Meanwhile:

    "Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped Off the Map’"
    https://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2...r-said-israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map/?_r=0
     
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    Seems like it was the Iranians, but war is a bad idea. The last one cost countless billions and hundreds of soldier lives, not to mention hundreds of thousands of people and trillions of dollars on collateral damage.

    To what effect? Some puppet of the Coalition of the Willing crushes dissent in Northern Iraq and the war creates a sufficient power vacuum to create a terrorist state which has pursued a 7 year war in Syria creating an immigrant stream into Europe.

    Iran is isolsted with only three significant allies: Russia, Syria, and Palestine. They are involved in a proxy war with KSA.

    The solution is neither war nor appeasement.

    I agree the Iranians are more dangerous with a nuclear weapon than the North Koreans. Kim is an Atheist - he doesn't believe in an afterlife. The Iranians on the other hand believe in one for martyrs.
     

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