Germany's Refusal To Spend 2% On Defense

Because they wanted to stay in the EU and were stupid enough to believe the lies that the only way they could be sure of that would be to vote to stay in the UK.

 

And why isn't Catalonia independent?

Also, Scotland would have crashed out of the EU then anway.

 

You got the answer to your question. You have shown you know nothing about anything and just come on for fun, one day being a remainer, the next a No Deal far right Brexiter. I simply answered that stupid question. No need to waste my time on nonsense.

 

And apart from your anger at the EU apart ... from a great lack of knowledge and understanding about the EU, its institutions, the institutions ... in short ... who in the EU what makes and decides is generated:

First, agree on what you really want in the UK!
The EU has negotiated an agreement, which you do not want ... the EU is ready to go "no deal", which you do not want ...

What do you want?

 

You want Corbyn to beetroot this country into some Communist revolution.

 

We want to leave, no customs union, no Irish backstop.

We voted no, that was the answer.

The UK can get on without the EU, not sure (or care) if the EU can get on without the UK.
Let my people go.

 

Why digress?

This is about Germany expecting USA and others to pay for their peace refusing to pay 2%

Germany isn't the EU, but in the EU.

 

Let's be clear. America spends the big bucks to further its interests around the world and needs to continue doing that if we want
a strong influence over events and policy, the Nato contributions notwithstanding.

 

WHAT???
What kind of nonsense is this? The UK pumped up nothing ... face realites and not British myths! I would normally laugh ...

 

I'm allowed to change my mind, I'm not autistic, I can think outside the box, where right doesn't always equals bad and left doesn't always equals good, just look at Momentum and Jeremy Corbyn.

They're left and rotten to the core.

 

Oh ... what peace do they give again please? Sorry ... I can't imagine which actions they do for this again with whatever money! Ah ... this is simply a lie that US and others pay for Germany having peace! Yes, that''s it,

And ... yes, Germany is in the EU and in the NATO ... and how many Europeans are again also in NATO and do not spend 2% ... money wher eis a treaty and agreement done that all have to pay in 2024 and not before!
So stop the impudence to demand bullcrap here with reasoning this with more bullcrap!

 

I know, how many are in NATO who don't pay 2%, it's shocking that you know this and think it's acceptable to do less than the bare minimum and expect Poland and UK to pay in Europe.

Germany are refusing to pay.

When Germany meets its current commitment at the end, more might be asked, which Germany's 2% in 2024 probably won't meet.

The I don't pay until the deadline is rude thinking the amount required won't go up when you know after 2024, no one knows how much % of GDP will be required.

 

Oh well ... and all the contractual obligations that UK has, which are then uninteresting and require no agreement?
Do you have any idea what this is about? Do you seriously think you just have to go through the door and finish?

Say, are you 9 years old and really believe that ... are you totally ignorant?

 

You seem to be as rude and backwards as the rest of Europe giving Europeans a bad name.

Germany could pay 2% now and shouldn't wait until the final hour because come 2025, it will be doing the same thing then as it's doing now, not paying its fair share.

 

Rude thinking? Intersting ... rude is that you spend 2% but give a crap about NATO with it, because this spending is mostly for you adventures in the world, like at the US and where you follow the uS like a Yes Saying slave like in Iraq!
And your spending mostly due to fact that you build to tax money wasting carriers instead those who have sense and cost far lesser!

And sorry, where is the peace in Europe again threatened by who at the moment, that we need to upgrade?
If you come with Rusland, then you lose the last piece of credibility!

We just have more important issues where we invest money, for example the infrastructure!

Oh yes ... and if we meet the 2%, then we are again the evil Germans, and the comparisons to Hitler's upgrade comes! Sorry ... you have nothing to say, but to shut up! In money and not%, you pay as much as we do!

 

I am backwards? Says the one who still dreams of the British Empire! Ridiculous...

Why should we pay the 2% right now? It does not make any sense ... there is no danger and your Britons as well as the Americans are investing so much because you have worldwide interests that we do not have!

 

It's part of the problem with young Germany. Always and forever insisting on biting at the hands that feed them. The older generations know, because they remember when it wasn't so easy. When their security rested on the whim of a foreign government who sometimes didn't appreciate all of their temper tantrums and periodically left the door open just enough for the evil from the east to poke through before getting the door slammed on them. But, it served as a reminder that their peace was fragile. And tenuous. And entirely provided to them. Today's youth in Germany don't remember. They are their own worst enemy to date.

 

You have Russia breathing down your neck and Turkey and ISIS wanting to take Germany's EU down a notch.

If it wasn't for those American bases in Europe, you might be speaking Russian right now.

 

Ah Rhetoric, I believe you have become an AfD supporter

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fends-promotion-of-german-far-right-afd-video

 

Says the Momentum supporter in a thread all about Germany and NATO.

Wrong thread. Derailment seems to be your party's way.
Look at the strikes that pissed me off that summer in London in 2017 or Momentum's occupation of Parliament Square to talk about their party when UK voted to leave and dragged London out of the EU.
Reds out, Freedom in, that's what I say.

Down with bureaucracy and down with rules and regulations.
We need less government, not more.

 

All mindless imagination. The AFD goes with your criticism of Germany and of course Rees Mogg with all your other declared recent position. There really is no point in talking what is meaningless.

 

It is a problem with these Americans and British that they just do not want to understand that Germany is a completely sovereign state and that it has its own interests and sets them above those of others.
Thus the British and Americans simply have their problem, because they are used to the fact that Germany has mostly succumbed to their will ... indeed had to submit to 1990 because of lack of sovereignty.
From this it is generated an expectation that Germany simply just shut up, does not make demands, does not insist on enforcing its interests and in the end simply issues the check of Deutsche Bank and pays everything.

But the times have passed since almost 30 years and many just do not get it! Instead, these bitter remarks come because they continue to expect the same from Germany!

And as for the feeding hand ...

Gratitude ... I think we have shown a lot of gratefulness and are still showing it, but also gratitude ends sometime. The end comes when one is not treated as a partner but as a command receiver ... and comes with idiotic demands / commands and expects them to be obeyed.
And gratitude has also been given, because after the US we had the 2nd largest armed forces in NATO and our country was not only the nuclear target of Russian missiles and bombs, but also of American missile bombs! Look at the Fulda Gap ... in case of emergency with a dozen nuclear mines blocked and irradiated for the next 200 years!
Gratitude ... Gratitude does not mean that one can not express one's opinion when it is against you, because that's what you taught us after 1945!

 

Ungrateful.
Just be like 'thank you for our stability' and pay what you agreed.
Even if it means the German state doesn't subsidise an auto manufacturer to do it.
I'm not even a fan of whenever UK's done that, state funding of industry sucks.
I'm on the fence about my country's own NHS but we still pay what we agreed to NATO without pissing around looking at the clock on a technicality.

 

You can argue about that ... because if you believe in some historical research ... and the evidence is already very interesting ... then Stalin has actually fully complied with what he had agreed with Churchil and Roosevelt regarding Einflussspheren. Proof of this is, for example, the uprising of the Greek Communists, where Stalin did not lend support and let it lend, because, as agreed, British influence is!
Only later did that change ... and in principle the whole Cold War is under scrutiny to be staged by the USA!

But anyway ... yeah you saved us from becoming communists in the west ... but not because you loved Germany, but because you needed us as a buffer and upstream battlefield / staging area! You did not care about our fate ...

 

If we hated Germany, we wouldn't of had a West Germany with an air drop into East to stop people from starving when USSR had its way with the Eastern bloc.
If we hated Germany, we wouldn't have celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall.
But if it wasn't for my country, what would you have?
A Trabant deisgned in 1957 built in 2017 perhaps.