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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    That would be the point we don't know what normal is.
     
  2. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Another alarmist claim debunked.

    Wrong, LiveScience, Global Weather Not Worsening

    ALARMIST MESSENGERS/CLAIMS JUNE 1, 2022

    ". . . An article on LiveScience by writer Patrick Pester, titled “Is climate change making the weather worse?” quotes retired historian and physicist Spencer Weart, claiming human caused climate change is making weather worse.

    Pester writes:

    Experimental data and climate models suggest this warming will affect weather in a variety of ways, making it hotter and colder, more extreme, more chaotic and in a word, “worse.” For example, as the world gets warmer, more water evaporates from the surface of dry areas and increases precipitation in wet areas, according to Weart. In other words, dry areas get drier and wet areas get wetter. More moisture in the atmosphere in a warming planet can also lead to heavier snowfall during the winter.

    Weart’s claims demonstrate either that he is not, in fact, familiar with actual weather-related data, or he more concerned about generating political action to fight climate change rather than following the evidence and describing current weather data factually. Real world measurements of droughts, floods, and snowfall refute the claims made by Weart in the LiveScience article. . . . "
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A ‘Perfect Recipe for Extreme Wildfire’:
    New Mexico’s Record-Breaking, Early Fire Season


    Fueled by abnormally dry, warm conditions and spread by strong winds, wildfires have burned more than 600,000 acres across New Mexico this spring — making it one of the worst fire years in the state’s recorded history. And there’s at least another month of peak fire risk ahead.

    The explosive, early start to this year’s Southwestern fire season reflects the convergence of long-term trends — a forest landscape overgrown after decades of aggressive fire suppression and parched by drought; springtime temperatures warmed by human-caused climate change — and more immediate dangers, like the relentless winds that have fanned the flames.

    It’s an ominous sign for the rest of the American West, where the fire season tends to start later, but where conditions are similarly primed to burn.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/06/01/climate/new-mexico-wildfires.html

    Climate change deniers maintain their nothing to see here attitude.




    A Major Report Warns Climate Change Is Accelerating And Humans Must Cut Emissions Now
    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1025...s-accelerating-and-humans-must-cut-emissions-
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At least 11 dead 33 missing after Agatha's hit on Mexico
    PTI Updated: June 01, 2022 20:57 IST

    Mexico City, Jun 1 (AP) Hurricane Agatha left at least 11 people dead and 33 missing in the southern Mexico state of Oaxaca, where it set off flooding and landslides, Gov. Alejandro Murat said Wednesday.
    More than 40,000 people in the state have been affected, primarily along the coast and in the mountains just beyond, Murat said.
    Agatha was the strongest hurricane since records have been kept to come ashore in May in the eastern Pacific.

    https://www.theweek.in/wire-updates/international/2022/06/01/fgn60-mexico-ld-hurricane.html

    Not to worry Jack, https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-44959340
     
  5. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    The "climate crisis" is alarmist flapdoodle propaganda. Here's an example.
    More Miscommunication from The Seattle Times
    Guest Blogger
    From the Cliff Mass Weather Blog I am getting tired of writing about the Seattle Times, but their miscommunication is simply getting worse, and I think you should know about…
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    We get it: anywhere it is too hot, too cold, too dry, too wet, too windy or too calm, it must have been caused by fossil fuels.
     
  7. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Don't mistake weather for climate.
    Hurricane Activity Close To Lowest On Record In Last Year
    2022 › 05 › 30 › hurricane-activity-close-to-lowest-on-record-in-last-year
    The past 12 months have seen close to the fewest tropical cyclones of major hurricane frequency in more than 40 years
     
  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Power demand recently hit a record high in Texas amid a severe heat wave and will likely break more records this week as homes and businesses blast air conditioners across the country’s second-most populous state.

    Demand on the power grid reached more than 75,000 megawatts on Sunday, surpassing a previous record of 74,820 megawatts set in August 2019, according to the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), which runs the grid for more than 26 million customers who comprise about 90% of the state’s electric load.

    One megawatt can power roughly 200 homes in Texas during high demand and about 1,000 homes in normal weather conditions.

    Soaring power usage prompted by extreme weather has triggered concerns over the vulnerability of the state’s grid system, following a deadly winter storm in Feb. 2021 that left millions of residents without power for days.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/14/tex...cord-as-severe-heat-wave-hits-the-state-.html

    Historic May heat shatters records in Southern and Central Europe


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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/05/20/spain-france-heat/
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    Weather.
     
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    How many coal power plants are there in the world today ...
    www.iceagenow.info/how-many-coal-power-plants...

    Sep 30, 2019 · Total 3,534. That’s 5,615 projected coal powered plants in just 8 countries. USA has 15 – building 0 more..Total 15. And Democrat politicians with their “green new deal” want to shut down those 15 plants in order to “save” the planet.

    They wiil make those plants shut down which will raise people's electric bill. Raise taxes and pile on a bunch of regulations, just the thing that drove off over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. Unless you can get the rest of the world to go along with you, you'll do nothing to help pollution and global warming. They don't recognize borders. We are already switching to electric vehicles. GM is going total electric. We are still building solar on our homes and power plants. We are still building wind, solar, water and nuclear. But I don't hear the Left talk of planting trees and science says the best and cheapest way to combat pollution and global warming is planting a billion trees. They will ruin our economy and accomplish nothing. ( Best and cheapest way to fight climate change. (

    Growth of city trees can cut air pollution, says report - BBC ...

    www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37813709

    Planting trees is a cost-effective way to tackle urban air pollution, which is a growing problem for many cities, a study suggests. ... Growth of city trees can cut air pollution, says report. By ...
    .

    Global warming: Planting a trillion trees could be the "most ...

    www.cbsnews.com/news/planting-a-trillion-trees...

    If a tree falls in a forest, will replanting it help curb global warming? Scientists say planting a trillion trees globally could be the single most effective way to fight climate change.

    Planting trees, could get millions of people involved without breaking the pocketbook. But are the Democrats even discussing planting trees to fight global warming and pollution?

    Pollution and Global warming knows no borders.
    • Jul 19, 2017 · “Over all, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries,” the Times reports. And Chinese companies such as ****, China Datang, Shenhua, China
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Heat, humidity kill at least 2,000 Kansas cattle, state says

    Extreme heat and humidity killed thousands of cattle in Kansas in recent days, the state said, and sizzling temperatures continue to threaten livestock.

    The deaths add pain to the U.S. cattle industry as producers have reduced herds due to drought and grappled with feed costs that climbed as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine tightened global grain supplies.

    The Kansas Department of Health and Environment knew of at least 2,000 cattle deaths due to high temperatures and humidity as of Tuesday, spokesperson Matthew Lara said. The toll represents facilities that contacted the agency for help disposing of carcasses, he said.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/15/heat-humidity-kill-at-least-2000-kansas-cattle-state-says.html
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The data are the data.
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    Figure 1: ESA Satellite data showing Global Wildfire Area Burned, in millions of square kilometers, from 1982 to 2018 Graph by Zoe Phin.
     
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    Were these cattle outdoors, or confined in buildings or pens without adequate ventilation, water, etc.?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    ExxonMobil published or shared their research findings from the beginning. The only lie is the claim that ExxonMobil lied.
     
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    Debunking climate alarmism yet again.
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    EXTREME HEAT
    No, NPR, Public Opinion Polls Aren’t Proof of Climate Change
    June 23, 2022
    National Public Radio (NPR) recently ran an article discussing the results of a poll it conducted claiming that Americans are suffering from extreme weather events due to climate change. Although because of the mainstream media’s claims the public may be under the impression that every weather event is due to climate change, this impression is wrong. Data demonstrate no trend of increasing extreme weather events, mainstream media assertions to the contrary. The public, most of which does experience one or more instances of extreme weather each year, is being misled to believe climate change is making weather worse. Polls are no replacement for facts in science, and science has measured little if any climate change impact on weather. . . .
     
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    AGW "science": first, constantly drum it into people's heads that "climate change" is causing more bad weather, though there is no evidence for such a claim; then claim that their belief that climate change is causing more bad weather is evidence that climate change is causing more bad weather...?

    Somehow, I kinda figured it'd be something like that.
     
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    Every informed person knows climate change has always been happening. The lie on the anti-fossil-fuel hysteria side is that those who are skeptical that CO2 changes climate are denying that climate changes at all.
    When did they lie about it? Their business model is actually doing great, thanks to the astounding stupidity of anti-CO2 True Believers in government who have prohibited production of fossil fuels, forcing prices into the stratosphere.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What hasn't always been happening is man being on earth burning carbon based fuel. Putting CO2 in the atmosphere by the hundreds of thousands of tons.

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    A function of designing the graph to create the desired propaganda effect.
     
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    Millions. So what? It's plant food that has increased agricultural productivity and shrunk deserts, and to the microscopic extent that it increases global temperature, that's a good thing. Eras of above-average global temperature used to be called, "optimums" before that term was ruled politically unacceptable.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only propaganda being pushed here is by you.

    Carbon dioxide peaks near 420 parts per million at Mauna Loa observatory
    Atmospheric carbon dioxide measured at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Atmospheric Baseline Observatory peaked for 2021 in May at a monthly average of 419 parts per million (ppm), the highest level since accurate measurements began 63 years ago, scientists from NOAA and Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California San Diego announced today.

    Scripps’ scientist Charles David Keeling initiated on-site measurements of carbon dioxide, or CO2, at NOAA’s weather station on Mauna Loa in 1958. NOAA began measurements in 1974, and the two research institutions have made complementary, independent observations ever since.

    https://research.noaa.gov/article/A...s-response-barely-slows-rising-carbon-dioxide
     

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