Getting Healthcare Right

But at least the gov't knows you can vote them out....what could you do to the owners who pay very little?

 

You're inconsistent. You're the one who said "The free market relies on the idea that those who work know what their labor is worth, and that is something that should be rectified because there are some immoral employers out there who are willing to take advantage of an employee who doesn't really know what their labor is worth." Now your position is that you're worth what you're offered.

 

It's not a magic fix, but I wouldn't want to live without health care I don't have to worry about.

 

That's because you trusted Reagan when he said government is the problem and it tickled your conservatism. It's also because you don't see a government that is responsive to the people. But you conservatives are the ones who wanted government to be responsive to business interests rather than the people! You're inconsistent!

 

You aren't worth what you're offered. You're offered according to how little they believe they can pay you and you'll still work for them.

 

See? I guess you had the fantasy that government could serve business and us. It can't. It's one or the other.

 

Exactly. Anyone who thinks the employer will offer any more than they believe they must, is dreaming.

 

You have to consider competition in the market place. That includes competition in the labor marketplace.

The problem here seems to be that you think economics is an idea that can be changed. It can't be changed. Economics is like trying to pilot a rocket from the earth to the moon. You can't decide to put the moon closer to the launch pad because that will save money on fuel, but you can save fuel by not making any mistakes along the way.

 

On almost every issue, half are for, half against; for democracy to be effective, we need a common consensus.

 

The reason the R's failed today is because they knew they'd get voted out next election if they went with it.
So the system, at this 1 time worked.

 

yea, no. I don't think so.

 

A common consensus isn't going to turn water into wine or hammers into screwdrivers. That's just a consensual delusion.

 

It's amazing. I read something on here about if you only let the cops and criminals have the guns, how do the rest of us protect ourselves? Have you never read the stories of how many people are shot and killed accidentally in your country? Not that it doesn't happen here. I've lived a long time, and I've only ever seen a handgun in the holster of a police officer. Most of us don't have guns and get pissed off at the neighbors and go off all half cocked trying to shoot the idiot. Not that we're all that civilized. When the good old boys get drunk and rowdy, they beat the **** out of each other. At least nobody's dead. Just in the drunk tank for the night.

 

I agree, if we all wanted the same things democracy would be great. In the actual world, though, democracy is just a contest to see who gets to turn the guns of government on everyone else to get what they want.

 

Then why did the dissenters, dissent?

 

Hey I know

They try to point to our supposed higher assault rate and my answer is that I would much rather be punched in the face than shot in the face. We just do not feel the need to have guns

Yeah we have some gun nuts but mostly we just do not feel a need. Lack of easily available guns has trapped at least ONE would be terrorist when he tried to buy a gun from an undercover cop

Lols!!!

 

I think you will see this increasingly in America - like here and the UK political suicide is taking health care away

 

. . . . But when a hurricane is imminent, government prohibits raising prices on batteries and bottled water. That's what government does; it inhibits exploitation.

 

That is why the R's put forth a weak attempt. In fact they put in the same plan basically, just shifted the payment from the rich to the elderly and poorer folks.
It would be a disaster in its current form.

 

But but but, exploitation is the heart of unbridled capitalism.

 

What's being missed by the MSM here is that this bill was the polar opposite of what the American people wanted.

Even Trump supporters cheered when he claimed his healthcare bill would "cover everyone" and provide lower premiums.

Of course it did neither and in fact took healthcare away from tens of millions and INCREASED premiums and only PARTLY lost support from some GOP legislators because of that.

What few are mentioning is that the disaster of a bill didn't hurt ordinary Americans ENOUGH for a lot of GOP legislators.

Trump was elected largely because of dissatisfaction of Republican voters with that kind of insanity and they've only gotten WORSE

 

Do you actually think Trump is capable of that kind of rational thought? Worried about being re-elected? I would be willing to bet he still thinks he's getting out of the Russian thing unscathed. I think you are giving him credit for a lot more grey matter than I would ever credit him with.

 

yes it is

 

. . . . Hence the need for government to pull in the reins.

 

Good healthcare, that is affordable is right up there with food.