God and abortion

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  1. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    Pot, meet kettle.

    God gave Israel those lands, and it was only after the inhabitants had been warned to leave and did not that they were attacked. Some of those pagan nations attacked Israel before. Israel had the same right to self defense as we do. Are you pro life since you're so upset by infants dying thousands of years ago?
     
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    Just an accomplice then since he knows they will occur, designed the system that leads to their occurrence, and takes no preventative action?
     
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    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    He wasn't responsible for man choosing to sin, but did send His Son to atone for our sins by His sacrificial death on the cross. What more do you want Him to do?
     
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    I have not said anything false - That would be you.

    We don't have the right to intentionally kill babies but, your attempts to apologize for killing children and babies (because of the sins of their parents) are quite humorous.

    It wasn't just pagan babies that were killed ... God commanded that Israelite children and babies be killed "because of the sins of the parents"

    This is not about someones "Pro Life" stance. This is about God being depicted as flip flopper - as well as a xenophobic genocidal maniac .. such that the claim that God was necessarily against abortion - is preposterous nonsense. God Commanded "abortion" - by commanding the killing of pregnant women.
     
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    He's God, he could have forgiven the sins, or not made them be sins in the first place. Literally nothing is impossible for him.

    And how much of a "sacrifice" is it to "die" on the cross then come back to life 3 days later and exist as an omnipotent being forever after, not to mention Christ could have existed in heaven prior to coming to Earth.

    Something smells Jesus fishy about this.
     
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    He does, after we repent and place our faith in Him.

    So you want to be a robot with no choice? Not even a human would want such 'love'.

    Next you'll be asking if God can make a rock so big He can't lift it. It would be a pretty puny God that could be perfectly understood by fallen and finite man.

    Isiah 58:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.
    9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways
    and my thoughts than your thoughts."

    When the innocent King of the Universe chose to die a grusome, humiliating death for the guilty, that's a big deal. Kind of like Queen Elizabeth dying for an ant.

    He did.

    OK, see how that works out for you. As Jesus said, broad is the road to destruction, and narrow the road to life. I wish it were otherwise.
     
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    Or even greater...the largest/greatest 'procreator' ever.

    Have you considered the stall kept livestock for food(s)?


    United States
    The United States (US) is the world's fourth largest beef exporter, exporting about 1,120,000 metric tons in 2016. The beef industry in the US is the biggest fed-cattle industry in the world, producing high-quality beef from grain-fed cattle for both domestic and export purposes. Due to the high dependency on grain, a shift in the supply or price of grain greatly affects beef production.

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-largest-exporters-of-beef.html


    1 metric ton = 2204.623 pound(s).

    1,120,000 metric tons = 2204.623 x 1,120,000


    And that's number 4. Not 1 or 2 or 3.... Then go all the way down the list....

    The United States (US) is the world's fourth largest beef exporter,


    So ask yourself if you are truly, sincerely concerned about 'abortion' and 'aborted' fetuses....


    The 'greater' anti-God argument would be to be concerned with the 'deaths' of livestock(s); not only beef, either...



    Although not exactly correct, eggs and fetuses being 'aborted' have similarities.
     
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    Eggs of hens..

    The red junglefowl breeds spring through summer, with the bird laying an egg every day. Eggs take 21 days to develop. Chicks fledge in about 4 to 5 weeks, and at 12 weeks old are chased out of the group by their mother – at which point they start a new group or join an existing one. Sexual maturity is reached at 5 months, with females taking slightly longer than males to reach maturity.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junglefowl
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_junglefowl


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    Another interesting 'piece'.... Or is it, 'peace'?


    Before any cow can make milk, she must have a calf. A female dairy cow will have her first calf when she is around two years old and will produce milk for around 10 months. After each 10 month period, each cow will have two months of rest “off”. Before they begin producing milk again, they must have another calf.

    https://bcdairy.ca/milk/articles/how-a-cow-makes-milk

    Since the 1950s, artificial insemination (AI) is used at most dairy farms; these farms may keep no bull. Artificial insemination uses estrus synchronization to indicate when the cow is going through ovulation and is susceptible to fertilization. Advantages of using AI include its low cost and ease compared to maintaining a bull, ability to select from a large number of bulls, elimination of diseases in the dairy industry, improved genetics and improved animal welfare [39] Rather than a large bull jumping on a smaller heifer or weaker cow, AI allows the farmer to complete the breeding procedure within 5 minutes with minimum stress placed on the individual female's body.[39]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_cattle


    Quick question....

    How many super riche are vegans or vegetarians??


    The 10 Richest States In America For 2019
    1. New Hampshire (Photos)
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    3. Hawaii (Photos) **
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    7. Virginia (Photos)
    8. Massachusetts (Photos)
    9. Wyoming (Photos)
    10. Vermont (Photos)
    https://www.homesnacks.net/richest-states-in-america-1211659/
     
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    As if New York wasn't best at enough things already, even for meat it's top of the list. King of the hill. A-number one.
    "Once a barbecue wasteland," says Grilling.com editor Cantwell, "New York's now a hotbed of great restaurants propelled by the recent rise of Brooklyn barbecue" at places like BrisketTown, Fletcher's, Fette Sau and Hometown Bar-B-Que.
    New York pioneered the $100 burger ... then the $666 burger ... but it's awash in more prudent patties, too, at The Spotted Pig, Corner Bistro, Old Town Bar, Minetta Tavern, Burger Joint and Korzo Haus, where they're deep-fried inside Hungarian flatbread.
    The city claims nearly twice as many steakhouses as No. 2 in the category (Los Angeles), headlined by Peter Luger, Old Homestead Steakhouse and Keens Steakhouse, which serves a mutton chop flanked by dog's ears of lamb bacon that will make eating for the next 24 hours optional.
    Then, of course, there's the deli brisket, corned beef, pastrami and hot dogs for which New York has always been known.
    All have superlatives at Katz's Delicatessen, further proving you can take the Meatpacking District out of the city, but you can't take the city off any list of meat meccas.

    12 best U.S. cities for meat lovers

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/u-s-meat-cities/index.html

    California now has 13,445 people who are worth more than $30 million, while New York has only 9,530. Texas (6,475) and Florida (4,650) followed in third and fourth place.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-with-the-wealthiest-residents-2015-3



    39,557,045
    20,040,000

    CA and NY population...2018


    NY population 2014: 8,491,079
     
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    New York City....
     
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