God doesn't explain why there is not nothing.

Aha

Aha too
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and somehow fascinating

 

First: It's said "Who believes not in wonders is not a realist". Nevertheless I share the belief of Saint Augustinus that wonders are not in conflict with natural laws - they are only in conflict with our knowledge about the natural laws. When the logos spoke times, spaces and all energy was created. What else is real?

Space is not nothing. Darkness is also not nothing.

Sure you don't see an example of nothing - how? The nothing has no examples. ... Or am I wrong? .. Perhaps I'm wrong. Take this example: What do you know about the life of a teenager when he was aborted before? Nothing, isn't it?

No.

or not

Again the (¿not existing?) example: The life of a teenager, who was aborted during the pregnancy of his mother, is not only not - it's also impossible to know anything about. Only in our fantasy we are able to give such a child the own life back. But this is not real. .... Hmmm .... Abortion is real - and this creates an irreal world. Strange.

That's an empty phraseology. Again: Take a film as an example: You see nothing - then you see a stone - then you see nothing again. What says this about how the stone came into this film? ... And what says the stone about how he came into this film, into existence, and how long he will be in this film and what's the sense of this role? ...

 

whats the matter god not able to help you debate science with me?

 

Why were natural laws existing in the very first moment of the existence of the universe? Could a universe be without music - ah sorry: "mathematics"? ...

 

sorry, this is gibberish. Please rewrite correctly.

 

There is nothing....outside of God...only that which exists is inside of God. When you choose nothing instead of something(which is God), then you are...nothing when you die. Nothing is the absence of God...every atom has the "God particle" which gives it mass...without it there is nothing. God is in everything, and everything is in God.

 

I don't know what you like to hear.

 

So tell me what 14 billion years ago was "here". What are you able to say about this time of natural history?



By the way: The expression "god particle" (Higgs boson) is a short form of "god_damned particle". It was very difficult to find.

 

how often do you randomly post unrelated videos in a political forum per day? Also, you dont need to post anythong for me to hear. Ive been able to listen to music on my own for over 47 years. Its quite easy.

 

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ahh...muppets now. I love seeing how crazy is made.

 

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ahh the troll posts a family movie

 

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My argument is not limited to science, but any process through which we can justify belief. I would say the cosmological arguments have a very faint science aspect (I suppose we do observe the universe existing) but is mainly logical/philosophical in nature.

The angle here is not about the universe being an accident, it's saying that the God explanation is also hard to believe. You can cover up the mystery by not thinking about why god can exist when the universe is not allowed to, but at that point, the argument stops being persuasive.

 

It isn't hard to believe. By looking at the design of the universe as well as other factors the belief in God is a valid belief.

How is it that humans are even able to do math or study the universe thru science? Why is the human mind able to comprehend our surroundings? For such a random event such as our universe that is quite a coincidence.

I find just repeating the phrase "there is no reason to believe" not satisfactory. One could say that about many beliefs as a way to choose what one wants to believe. I prefer to look at the evidence and draw conclusions, not draw a conclusion and make the evidence fit my beliefs.

 

The first man who asked this question was Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz. He asked: "Warum ist überhaupt etwas und nicht vielmehr nichts?" ... I translate it: "Why is anything at all and instead not only nothing?" So: Why do you think the universe is an accident? If you don't think so: Why do you think the universe is not an accident?

How?

One moment. You said here "by not thinking". This gives me to think now.

(1) You can cover up the mystery by not thinking about why god can exist
(2) You can cover up the mystery by not thinking about why god can not exist

So what?

What means the universe is allowed or not allowed?

A real question - and this question is a real question, also a real mystery - is not persuasive or not persuasive (=convincing).

Give an answer what could be a thinkable reason for a senseless existence of the universe. Only because all people, who believe in god, are able to see a sense in the existence of the universe (not to forget: We are the universe) has nothing to do with this problem. So: If it is senseless - why exists it? If there is a sense - what is this sense?

 

If there was no sense, it wouldn't exist. Cause and effect.

 

Well, again, I'm limiting my argument to the cosmological argument for now.

I mean, I would chalk that up to evolution.

Looking at conclusions and rejecting them if they don't fit the evidence is a perfectly valid way of dealing with evidence. I see no problem with looking at concepts through the lens of whether we have reason to believe them.

 

I find that hard to believe, I reckon the question is probably older than written language (maybe in another form), certainly older than our records of philosophical musings.

I would say that by saying God resolves the question of why there is anything rather than nothing, one avoids answering the question "why is there god rather than nothing", even though the question remains unsolved.

"Allowed to", i.e. the universe being allowed to exist without a cause. If there is no rule that god needs a cause in order to exist, then the same is true for the universe, it needs no cause in order to exist.

I don't think they do see a sense in the existence of the universe (at least not any more than anyone else). They have just collected all the uncertainty in one spot and then forgot to answer it.

If you answer "why is there anything?" with "God", then the question "why was there God" becomes just as pressing and just as unanswered.

 

"Cause and effect" are only parameters within our universe here. What was "before" - what is "outside"? Two impossible questions. It could for example exist much more than only one universe. Hugh Everett III found this out, when he interpreted the Schrödinger Equation in a more universal way. We are not able to know whether this is right or wrong. But could exist under all imaginable universes a universe where it exists no mathematics within this universe for example? Are we able to say something about? Are we able not to say anything about? ... And by the way: What else than nothing or a Hilbert space could be between all this possible or impossible universes? What else than spirituality, intuition, mathematics, philosophy, fantasy, poetry and love ... yes love too, the first of all powers is love ... is able to show us a way to all this worlds?

 

What? That the universe is an accident - or that the universe is not an accident? Where is the wall in your thoughts?

No. As far as I know it was Leibniz who asked this the first time. Leibniz was born in 1646 and died in 1716.

What? ... Who says god resolved this question? Perhaps god caused this question - but this doesn't mean we have a solution now. It seems to me you are not able to think about this existential problem because you live in the fear you could go around the corner and meet god there. If you should meet him there then give him also nice greetings from me.

Again: If the universe was caused from a first cause then it exists without a cause, because a first cause is uncaused, that's why we call a first cause "first cause". But why exists it? What's the sense of this game? What are the rules and so on. Why for example exists mathematics? Why need physicists mathematics? Why not a universe without mathematics? Why is it senseful organized - but is senseless in total for example? What do we not know and why? Where to search what we should know to be able to go the next step?

Did you ever read what I said? Do you ever read what anyone else says to you?

Who is "they"? Nothing what I said here had to do with anyone I could call "they".

So okay. Let us think you are right and the universe is senseless: Why to do anything in this case?

¿"They"? again - Are you not able to think without an imagination of enemies? If "they" - who ever "they" are - should be right - how to know this?

You give no answers. And a good question is by the way more worth than any answer. Specially if it is very difficult to find a real answer.

Alice: "Why gave god atheists a brain?"
Bob: "Because he gave them no eyes to hear?"

 

How could you chalk that up to evolution?