God endorses genocide and rape

According to the Bible, God condones rape and genocide:

Numbers 31:7-18 NLT

"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."


I realize Christians and Muslims side step these verses by saying "we have new revelations that invalidate these commands through Jesus in the NT and Muhammad in the Quran." However, my question is, even if you have new laws, how can you possibly love a God that did, even if it were in the past, once order the genocide of other people and condone the mass rape of young girls? How can you possibly follow a God that once condoned such monstrous actions?

 

traditional marriage?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

 

Lucky I only asked Christians and Muslims - what about Jews???

 

Not many want to touch this one, I see.

 

Because it isn't monstrous if God did it - he who creates life is authorized to destroy - I'm sure that God knew best and did it to set an example. It's a story from 1000s of years ago and has no relevance - you'd have to show proof that God's motive was to inflict pain/torture in order to make a case.

 

Old stories have no relevance? An interesting theory.

 

That story isn't a source of Biblical morality - he's just trying to bait people.

If God is all-powerful, then maybe the people in those stories never felt any pain, or maybe they were all just an illusion - he had them "killed" in order to set an example to the Israelites, not because he just wanted to torture people.

Why would an all-powerful God let people he created be tortured or murdered just for the hell of it? That makes no sense.

 

considering all the stories are old...

 

We agree that it is senseless.

 

no disagreements here

 

LOL
You missed the point of the Old testament.
The story is even handed about both kinds of behaviors we see today.


God merely tells us that he made two kinds of men, one like the branch of Cain and the other, like the branch thru Seth.

Cain was a killer from the git go.

But what we see in God's choice of the Jewish patriarchs is an example of how a whole society of patriarchs actually think and behave.
These hebrew patriarchs are absolutely convinced in their thinking that sexual prudence is the only safe social behavior.
They do exactly what patriarchs do today, as evidenced in Islam.

God neither condones nor rejects them, nor does God criticize the behavior of these men who he, indeed, did create to be as they are.



On the other hand, the Bible readers need pay attention to the gentiles whose sexual conduct is promiscuous, and whose societies are strongly infleunced by their women, growing closer and closer to a full blooming matriarchy.

They become weak and militarily vulnerable.
Their families fall apart and single mother raise fatherless boys and girls.
They are easy prey fo the patriarchies in a world where God's Law is survival of the fittest.


God is warning these matriarchies to become sexual moral for their own good.

 

Of course the Bible has immense relevancy to today, when the Western Matriarchy is faced down with the very same classical confrontation by Islam and North Korea, even Chinese patriarchs, all thirsting to rape and ravage our nation and Western Europe.

The whole story when examined with intellectual honesty ends by trying to "save" us here and now.

 

Bingo. It appears you are coming around.

 

Are your questions indicative of a personal declaration that God exists?

 

Because god commited atrocities himself if one believes the stories in the Torah.

The Great Deluge: slaughtered multitudes of men, women and children not to mention ecocide of species of life.

Sodom and Gomorrah: clearly slaughtered children and slaves (in the passage before god said he would spare the city if there were ten righteous men and slaves as victims with no volition to choose or not were not innocent?)

The Plagues of Egypt: okay there must have been better ways than to killed all the first-born of Egypt after a long period of hell laid upon them what about this lift up all the Jews, cattle and half the wealth of Egypt and drop them by Sanai in an open display of power that would have gotten the message to the Egyptians and anyone else not to mess with the Hebrews.

Why would an all-powerful God let people he created be tortured or murdered just for the hell of it? That makes no sense. - Sure it does you give an insulant teenager absolute power bad things are bound to happen.

 

The Egypt example is actually even worse than that, as scripture tells us that Pharoah was ready to let them leave, but GOD hardened his heart, making Him the one culpable for Pharoah's pursuit of the Hebrews.

 

Aren't you the one who came into this forum PREACHING about how you were a pastor of a church? Now, here you are acting as a judge against the same God that you once claimed to serve. Hmmm. That sure does sound a bit hypocritical. If not hypocritical, then just simply emulating Judas.

 

That's what I keep trying to tell the religious about Yahweh and the bible in general, but will they listen?

 

You didn't respond to what I said. Have you read the passages referred to? Attacking me doesn't change what scripture says, does it?

 

Where is there an attack against you? One question and two observations regarding past postings of yours. Those postings are factual and are supported by the record of this forum.

 

is God picking at your conscience again??

 

But it doesn't address my post. It is an irrelevant derail.
Man up. Why did God make Pharoah persecute and pursue the Hebrews?

 

I think it is time for you to "man up" and respond to a posting of mine from several months ago, where you then refused to give answer to my inquiry and abandoned the thread and the discussion. Till you own up and 'man up', I am not obligated toward you in any way. If you don't like what I am doing here, then "man up".

 

It obviously meant more to you than to me. I don't have any idea what you're talking about.

 

But I wouldn't want to answer that Pharoah question if I was a devout believer either. LOL.