Mitt Ryan Please, if you will, tell me the difference between a woman being forced to marry a man because he raped her and woman being forced carry the child of a rapist.
Nope. God created Evil. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Isaiah 45:7 Rebuttal? Why not read the Bible?
Absolutely He created evil.... yet He gave man freewill so that man could choose to do good or evil. BTW: You just admitted that God exists when you acknowledged that God created evil,, and to top it all off, you used scripture to prove your point that God exists... evil does exist and God created evil. Thanks for the admission.
At any point, any point at all, have you actually thought your posts through before hitting send? They give me a giggle and not much else.
Maybe he will stumble across the verses that condone infanticide? ??? Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”? Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child. Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus. Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers. 2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong? 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”. Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.” Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it. Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” 2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.” Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped. Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action? Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god. 2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death. Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” 1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God’s commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one. I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife. Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death. Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other. Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children. Child abuse: Genesis 22:9 & 10 “And they came to the place which God had told him of and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.” It matters not that god let Abraham get out of murdering Isaac. To put a knife up to your son’s throat is child abuse. I Kings 3:24-25 “And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other." This test was of course given to see who the real mother of the child was. Christians view this king as a wise man. I look upon his suggestion with far more revulsion then I give accredit to Susan Smith. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children. Matthew 19:29 If you really loved Jesus then he insists that you abandon your wife and children for him. Only that way will he allow you to go to heaven. (That is if you meet his other hefty requirements, don’t slip through the loopholes, and ignore the contradictions.) Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
Considering your inability to understand and properly address my posts, why would I offer a rebuttal to a blatant strawman?
There is no such admission at all, and it is sophomoric to even suggest he was making any admission. He was simply using what you would consider the authoritative document to prove his point.
I believe there is a Bible verse stating that Mary welcomed it, so I would say the word rape would not apply to that particular situation.
Where is there a strawman? I am agreeing with you that according to scripture, God created evil. That is a showing that you admit the existence of God if you believe that God created evil as per your leaning on scripture for your proof of claim. If God did not create evil, then evil must have been a creation of man, which would make your claim a falsehood. You can't have it both ways.... it is an either/or scenario.
Well, you are the one who said that the Bible is authoritative.... "He was simply using what you would consider the authoritative document to prove his point." Were you suggesting that you are a mind reader? I merely agreed with him on his interpretation of what is printed in the Bible. If in fact he is using the Bible as a means of justifying his claim, then he is using it as an authoritative document. Hence an appeal to authority fallacy. "Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true. However, the informal fallacy occurs only when the authority cited either (a) is not an authority, or (b) is not an authority on the subject on which he is being cited. If someone either isnt an authority at all, or isnt an authority on the subject about which theyre speaking, then that undermines the value of their testimony." http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-authority/
Darth Vader is real too. It is a sign of intellect to entertain a thought without accepting it. Something that is beyond your reach it seems.
I said no such thing. No, I based my assumption that you would consider the Bible authoritative on your previous posts. If I am wrong, please correct my impression. Irrelevant when the position being discussed is based on what the authority states, especially the Bible, which is considered by many (including the person to whom Wolverine responded, it appears) to be infallible and the word of God. Right.
"He was simply using what you would consider the authoritative document to prove his point." By presuming through your perception that I "would consider the authoritative document" (ie, the Bible), you have, through a false perception and false presumption labeled the Bible as an Authoritative document. Assumptions "as·sump·tion (-smpshn) n. 1. The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation. 2. The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command. 3. The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory. 4. Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition: a valid assumption. 5. Presumption; arrogance. 6. Logic A minor premise." You and others should never assume something about other people, especially those that you have never had the opportunity of acquaintance. Doing so, is a significant indicator of your arrogance, and serves as an evidence that you are likely to take something for granted or accepted as true without proof. So, are you now suggesting that it was Wolverine who is making the appeal to authority? Remember, there are way too many postings on this forum by atheists and non-theists that stipulate that the Bible is a fairy tale, a fantasy story, a book of mythology, has no credibility.... etc. Are you now denouncing the claims of all those people and saying that the Bible is an Authority Document? Meaning what?
This is a classic example of someone misinterpreting the Holy Bible. It is very easy to do when a person hasn't fully read the entire Holy Bible to understand what God is really about and so when you take any particular verse from the Bible it can easily be misinterpreted. You just can't take everything you read literally in the Holy Bible. Let me explain this particular verse from Isaiah to explain what the verse is really saying to the reader. Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version does read, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: "disaster" (NIV, HCSB), "calamity" (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and "woe" (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that "I create evil" in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence. The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. "Woe to him who quarrels with his Master" (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings "evil" and "disaster." So, rather than saying that God created "moral evil,"Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him. In summary God is not the author of evil and so He did not create evil. All human miseries are a result of sin.
One might have thought that if God created the Bible as His inerrant word to provide some revelation for us, when He put "I ... created evil" He meant that He created evil.
As I reckon, the NT has Jesus speaking out against the Church and tells us that we can tell by "actions" not words what the nature of a person or organization is. This does not bode well for the Church as being "established by God". I do not think there is any historical proof that the Catholic Church was established by God.
Well, of course not, how could there be proof God established the Church when the existence of God has not been confirmed? Yes, I also think some of Jesus' teachings were anti-Church, anti organised religion.
