God vs Science: Who Wins?

And you know all of this..............how?

 

These same points get addressed over and over in discussions with theists.

1. Can you prove there is no intelligent design - You make the claim you provide the proof. I can't prove bigfoot does not exist. This does not mean bigfoot does exist.

2. Can you prove change always improves a species - no, because it doesn't. This is why evolution is based on random mutations AND natural selection.
The discovery of DNA and DNA sequencing establish proof for the evolution of humans. Humans are are result of mutations and natural selection.

3. Why don't you start with the eyeball -- https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html

Now here is my question for you. Explain how your creationist theories explain vestigial organs?

 

DUDB—eat something good, like ice cream. You’ll feel better.

 

LOL. Never has one soul been so wrong while believing they are so right about everything they hold faithfully...wait. There was Nostradamus.

 

I do have sympathies with the accusation that this is an immoral power grab by the state. Assuming that this pandemic justified the use of extraordinary state power, I’d rather have a state of emergency declared legally and martial law ordered constitutionally with specifics about duration, permitted and forbidden acts, penalties and appeals.

 

Just as you know what you know. I have faith in what I've seen and heard.

 

So you can’t prove a single assertion you made. Thank you.

 

I ducked, nothing. I fully answered your question.


The world is based on order, that is precisely why science works.
If the world had any chaos science wouldn't work..

 

so that presumes you can???.....nonsense.

 

I haven’t made any assertions. I can’t prove a negative. Nobody can. You are asserting a god exists. You hear the sole burden of proving it.

 

If by chaos, you mean contradictions, true, they cannot exist. However, if you mean the lack of a non-objective reality proves the Theory of Intelligent Design, you are making a logical error, the "leap of faith". Furthermore, objective reality does not prove the existence of a Magical Being. Quite the opposite, it proves magic is a lie.

 

Evolution is a scientific theory. Scientific theories are verified by generating falsifiable predictions, and then testing them to see if these predictions come true. The more predictions that are verified, the more evidence that theory has. Theories are never proven, but can have enough evidence that it is 99.99% likely that they are true. Another way of thinking about it is if the natural world keeps fitting the theory when it didn't have to, then that builds evidence for the theory. We can verify the basic idea of a theory without verifying the little details of what happened or how that theory is applied in every little situation.

Vestigial organs verify the predictions of evolution and are evidence for evolution. Natural selection is one of the mechanisms of evolution and we have observed it numerous times in many instances of observed evolution and they are also evidence for evolution. We can know from the evidence that all life shared a common ancestor, hence the brain evolved, even if we don't know the details about the brain works or how it evolved.

 

Correction. Evolution is no longer a biological theory; its a scientific fact.

 

Chaos is the lack of order. We live in a world where , the one and only objective reality is that everything is in order.

Nothing in our objective reality disproves the existence of God.

Your desire for there to be no God is not even evidence that there is no God. All it is, is you're desire, nothing else.

 

you have asserted evolution....prove it! No one has. It is your faith. And don't tell me someone else has proven it, you prove it! At the same time you can prove to me that Augustus Caesar existed. Then I will use the exact same method to prove Jesus in fact exists.

 

Scientific theories don't have proof. Proof is for mathematics. Theories can be shown to be highly likely to be true by testing and confirming their predictions.

Jesus probably existed, although he is far less documented than Caesar. But that doesn't mean either of them had supernatural powers.

 

At a certain level there is order. We have forces of natural that interact with each other in deterministic ways. For example, the hydrogen gas in nebulas will get pulled together by gravity into stars. But that doesn't imply a God.

 

ok
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...+articles&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

nobody has said a person named Jesus never existed. But if you claim that person was a god, you need to prove that assertion.

 

Order is evidence that someone made some rules that the universe must abide by.

Nothing+nothing= nothing

The universe = something

Therefore,
Something + something= the universe

The process of making stuff we will call creativity. And we have already discussed order..

So now our equation looks like this.

Creativity+order = the universe.

Neither creativity or order exsist on their own without conciousness nothing has no conciousness.

Anything other than some sort of "intelligent design"

Is completely illogical and there is no evidence supporting it. None.

 

No, order is only evidence that there are determininistic forces that interact with each other. There are no rules in the universe, there are only forces that operate in certain ways. It isn't like rocks always fall because of some rule that the rock knows it must follow. It simply falls because there is a force pushing it down. The rules and laws of nature that we see are just human ways of understanding how the forces of nature work and interact.

True.

True.

Also true. But that something isn't necessarily God.

Sure it can. Hydrogen gas floating around will naturally begin clumping together because of gravity, and if enough of them clump together, we get stars. Or when you see viruses adapt to anti-viral medications with natural selection and mutations, that order is happening without a designer.

I don't need evidence for non-intelligent design. The burden of proof is on you to present evidence for intelligent design. If you don't then we are stuck with not knowing what made the universe and belief in intelligent design is irrational.

 

Never made that claim. That is what Jehovah Witnesses do. My claim is that He is God!.I don't need to prove my assertion. It is a stated fact, He is rejected by many. That would not alter that truth one iota even if I presented you solid proof. Today, many of us honor His Resurrection. That is another fact. Just as many hold to your belief in Evolution. We have ample evidence of Dinosaurs that supposedly predated man, but no evidence of our predecessors crawling out of a swamp and gradually turning in to what we have become. You have a lot of 'splaining to do.

 

awesome. Now prove it.

In a debate, if you make an assertion you have the onus to prove it when challenged. You of course can not in any way prove your assertion, because there is exactly zero evidence for the existence of any god, let alone the one you believe it.

 

We have an abundance of fossil evidence for evolution of fish evolving into land animals.


We also have a lot of evidence for ape to human evolution as well.