Golden eagles fall prey to wind industry

And smoke billowing coal fired power plants aren't an eyesore?

 

I think you debate like a drunk retard. Oil refineries aren't having explosions everyday, in fact mishaps are quite rare, but wind turbines are a blight on our landscape EVERYDAY. But I can't reason with somebody who has no sense of proportion. Let's try a little NIMBYism instead. How would you like one of these wind turbines where you live?

 

I vote for the one that kills less stuff. The windmills seem to have the numbers on that one.

 

It's okay to kill endangered species when doing liberal causes, because the environment is more important than eagles.

and oil kills more wildlife when it spills in the ocean, so all in all, wind is better

 

It doesn't kill less "stuff" When has there last been a major oil spill that caused massive loss of wildlife? And no, BP is not an example because the loss of life was negligeable at the worst, so advanced is technology these days to deal with spills before they become catastrophic in their fallout. You have to go all the way back to the Exxon Oil spill in the 1980's for an example of a lot of wildlife being wiped out by a single accident. Whereas wind turbines kill birds on a daily basis. Because they've been up for a while, we have some estimates on how many birds are killed. U.S. Fish and Wildlife claims that 150,000 birds are killed every year by these things. Now at some point I have to believe you would be reasonable and realize that at this rate, wind turbines will quickly outpace the death toll of even the worst oil spills.

Are you brave enough to face the facts about wind turbines?

 

Well, I think you dance like a fish on crack.

My sense of proportion tells me that wind turbines kill fewer birds (and other things) than oil rigs do when you look at the big picture. In fact, they don't kill anything but birds (so far as I'm aware), so the fact that they kill fewer of the one thing they do kill than the alternative puts the goal of not killing stuff squarely in the wind turbine camp.

I'd take a turbine -- lots of turbines -- if it meant less heavily-polluting oil infrastructure. I'm perfectly aware that the turbine method isn't perfect. No method is perfect. But it sounds better. On a purely logical basis.

Not like the oil industry is going away. We get a lot of uses out of petroleum that have nothing to do with the energy-supplying function of wind turbines. But in terms of supplying energy with less of an environmental impact, wind turbines appear to be the better choice, just going by the numbers.

 

Ran into this blog ... struck me as kind of relevant to the topic ... can't tell if it's an advertisement or some kind of satire, though ...

http://www.chadpinkerton.com/blog/main.asp?id=252

 

And the difference is? http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1...dsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:57,i:365&tx=152&ty=86

 

You need to revisit your assumptions. In my previous post I gave some startling statistics from Fish and Wildlife. Doing some more exploring I'm finding other claims up to 500,000 birds per year. The net amount of life lost in the last great oil spill in the 1980's has almost certainly been outpaced by now.

 

Not much difference.







Not much difference at all.

 

You know it's a funny thing with these people. They can't tell the difference between catastrophes that are very rare (oil rig explosions) and a consistant menace that kills on a daily basis and continues to kill. To them, 500,000 birds a year are nothing because they're so certain that more animals must have died in oil spills. Facts don't matter, just their anti-petrolium fever.

 

if they taste anything like bald eagle (which they should), they taste like freedom.

 

My concern is the owners of these monstrosities aren't being made to account for the damage they are doing to the endangered species. They need to pay per bird killed like anyone else. I frequently travel through a wind farm in California. I see dead Turkey Vultures and California Condors.

 

That's 10,000 to 40,000. You're off by a factor of between 10 and 50.

 

Not even slightly. My figures come from U.S. Fish and Wildlife which estimates at least 150,000 to 200,000. When you google this, you're going to find it verified on several sites just on the first page. Not only are you wrong, but you aren't even using common sense. These wind turbines are invisible blenders in the air that birds can't see. Any figure is based solely on dead birds that are found and is probably very low.

 

I'd say a pretty big difference. The smallest oil rig disaster looks like a much bigger deal than the biggest wind turbine disaster.

 

These are the same people that are somehow convincing that if it gets warmer, its global warming, and if its getting colder, its global warming..

I won't deny, there are evil people in the oil industry. They play with gas prices and bring them to the very brink of affordability.

However, all these green energy people are, are the same wolves in sheeps clothing. They just wish to get a chunk of what big oil is making.

 

No, it's those who rightfully point out that the overarching trend, despite anomalies here and there, is overwhelmingly an increase in warming.

Right! Apparently, there's an entire scientific discipline working against one of the most power special interest groups in the world with the goal of making themselves money by... selling unprofitable green energy devices? Wait, hang on, I'm confused...

 

Were you able to maintain a straight face while posting this nonsense?

 

But you haven't looked up how much damage is caused by using oil for fuel, or how many fewer birds (and other things) are killed by wind turbines. You've just seen that some birds are killed by wind turbines.

 

Just some birds? These are endangers species Golden Eagles.

You forgot the link to the number of endangered species critters killed every year by oil?

 

If it was a lizard and oil it would be bad. The hypocrites of environmentalism only care about endangered animals if it stops oil.

 

The damage to the gulf won't be completely measured ntil years from now (probably long after the reef is dead and the cancer from eating the critters is too far gone for anybody to give a sheet anymore).

 

I'm still waiting for the link to the number of endangered species critters killed every year by oil?