Government Shut Down Update: SCHUMER JUST BLINKED

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  1. logical1

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    Schumer better blink, every day he keeps the country shut down, the more votes he is losing for democrats in Nov.
     
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    Generic congressional polling is just one of several numbers. Trump's approval rating, party affiliation within states and districts. the PVI of each district and state, vacant or open seats due to either retirement, running for another office or the like. There's more numbers that enter the fray.

    But what all those numbers in the past showed was 2006 and 2008 were going to be bad years for the GOP. That 2010 was going to be a wipe out for the democrats, that 2012 everything was fairly even. In 2014 they once again favored the Republicans and in 2016, once again fairly even.

    Now I agree that this far out all those numbers just give us an indication of what might happen in November. One major unforeseen even or happening can turn those numbers and the election on its ear. that being said, I still think the republicans are down playing the effect of Trump's persona on the independent, non-affiliated voter. At least as of today.
     
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    Snark boy Schumer just blew his wad.By repeated use of
    The " Trump Shutdown ",he has given away exactly what the
    Democrats have been pulling ever since they created their
    new Democrat Party.That being to use Projection.The process
    where one pins the blame on someone else for their sins
    or wrongdoing.Dems have been relying on this " projection"
    almost exclusively for years.Schumer and Pelosi and
    Harry Reid constantly used the word " Obstructionists "
    to define the GOP.Also focus group tested wording like
    " Extreme " and " Far-Right ".
    They have been literally surviving on this Saul Alinsky
    ploy for years.It no longer works.In fact,it has now pigeonholed
    them as a Party right into a corner.
     
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    As I have said many times, the MSM and polling have far less influence on the public these days, while dems try to calculate outcomes based on what they think public reaction will be to their actions. The media in general has the lowest rating of trust in history by the people, yet they are supposed to be the voice of the people, not the democrat party.

    Schumer and dems continue to march in lock-step with each other as they march off a cliff.

    Steve
     
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    Schumer just decided to continue gov funding until Feb 8th. Like anything is going to change for dems. LOL

    Steve
     
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    Its Official WW.


    Retreat: Senate Dems Abandon Unpopular 'Schumer Shutdown,' Advance GOP Bill to Reopen Government.....


    Last night, Mitch McConnell offered Senate Democrats an off-ramp from their foolish, quixotic, unpopular Schumer Shutdown -- and with internal anxieties and divisions reportedly ratcheting up, they decided to take it. Five members of the minority caucus already broke ranks on Friday to vote in favor of the House-passed spending bill, meaning that a simple majority of the US Senate was on the record in support of the GOP's government funding bill. A number of the tiny handful of Republicans who voted with Democrats last week publicly lined up behind McConnell last night.

    To recap, the Republican-held House approved it, a majority of the Republican-held Senate, and the Republican president was prepared to sign it. Some liberals and spinmeisters reviewed these facts and still insisted that this shutdown was the fault of Trump and his party. The basic facts prove otherwise, however, so much so that even the Associated Press and New York Times had no choice but to appropriately assign blame where it belongs. Democrats' strategy to shut down the government in order to extract concessions on ancillary, non-budgetary political issues wasn't playing well, and looked even worse in light of Democrats' own passionately-argued stance against such tactics. So they've decided to accept the face-saving path to retreat offered by McConnell:

    But there's another twist, too. The GOP has argued, rightly, that a DACA/immigration compromise should be pursued on a separate track from government funding. What McConnell has worked out with his members is a commitment to allow an open process of amendments and votes on DACA and border security bills if no broad agreement is reached prior to February 8. He also said he'd move to address other outstanding issues too. One caveat: He said clearly that he will not allow these processes to move forward if Democrats shut down the government again. Here's his floor speech delivered shortly after the chamber reconvened this morning, setting the stage for the successful cloture vote (breaking the Democrats' filibuster) moments ago:.....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...chumer-shutdown-clears-senate-hurdle-n2437935


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    This is a win for trump voters and a real slap in the face for liberals
     
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    Kind of like a bitchslap, huh? :laughing:
     
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    Yes, exactly like that

    But schumer and swamp rats like lindsey graham are not beaten yet

    They are conspiring like crazy over the next round
     
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    Sure enough, today although Schumer is blustering, he sure enough blinked and now Democrats are forced to eat crow. They are now with tails between their legs and caved. They've backed down and gained nothing. Their position was indefensible. There was never any doubt that President Trump and Republicans were willing to deal with DACA and the immigration issue. The shut down caused by Schumer and the lemming Democrats in the Senate only went to further more excrement on their faces as the Party of NO.
     
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    Guess we'll see what happens this coming November elections; I think that the republicans are in for a very rude awakening.
     
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    You missed the most important sentence in that post.

    The last shutdown in 2013, republicans were blamed and then they GAINED 9 MORE SENATE SEATS a year later.

    Reconcile that.

    Steve
     
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    I know and already the Lame Stream is looking for something to jump on Trump about. I have been waiting for the Trump tweet so I can get the Rockin Robin song ready. Twiddly dee tweet, tweet tweet. ;)

    Still McConnell has set the mopes up.




    But there's another twist, too. The GOP has argued, rightly, that a DACA/immigration compromise should be pursued on a separate track from government funding. What McConnell has worked out with his members is a commitment to allow an open process of amendments and votes on DACA and border security bills if no broad agreement is reached prior to February 8. He also said he'd move to address other outstanding issues too. One caveat: He said clearly that he will not allow these processes to move forward if Democrats shut down the government again. Here's his floor speech delivered shortly after the chamber reconvened this morning, setting the stage for the successful cloture vote (breaking the Democrats' filibuster) moments ago:.....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...chumer-shutdown-clears-senate-hurdle-n2437935
     
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    Ooh look!! Nostradamus! ^ Congressional midterms often flip when the executive office changes........probably more often than not. However, Democrats are doing their damnedest to refuse history it's due. :roflol:
     
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    If DACA is implement, I suggest that all illegal aliens that entered the US from 2009 forward to the day the Reform Immigration Act is signed NOT be included in the Bill. They would remain Illegal aliens and deported to their native countries when apprehended.
     
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    That's a good point. This also points directly at the idea amnesty will do nothing but encourage more illegal migration. We need the wall, immigration reform ending the lottery and chain migration, and the defunding of sanctuary governments. Rewarding bad behavior, what could go wrong?
     
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    I think it also proved how they thought having Little Dickie
    Durbin go out and tattle like some prissy schoolgirl in
    Grade school how mean and naughty Trump was and used
    a naughty word.The Dems felt they could Pull an Obama.
    Meaning soften-up Trump by regurgitating use of some
    foul word in reference to really pathetic countries.
    This is Obama territory.Go out and make speeches using
    Groupthink to attack and debase yer opposition an then
    let the Lamestream finish the Narrative.
    However this time it backfired.Obama probably could have
    gotten away with what Schumer and Durbin pulled,but
    not either Senator.In fact,both Senators combined.
     
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    Over the weekend some liberals were prattling about how trump was not DOING ANYTHING!

    OMG they said, he should be running around Capital Hill trying to make a deal and end the shutdown

    But instead trump just calmly waited for schumer to fold

    Which he did
     
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    For every DACA that gets amnesty legal immigration from their home country should be reduced by one
     
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    Ha! Funny. No, Schumer has always acted like this. He paints a picture of reality that is so far from the truth that you wonder if he pays any attention to what's really going on. Way back in 1992, Schumer blamed us for Iraq invading Kuwait.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?30885-1/us-involvement-iraq-prior-gulf-war#
     
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    Finally, the Pubs getting down and dirty like the good little comrades of the Democrat Party.

    Democrats get rolled in shutdown standoff


    Most Senate Democrats, perhaps sensing that public opinion was moving against them, voted with their GOP counterparts Monday to advance a bill that would fund the government through Feb. 8. In return, they received a promise of a Senate to continue negotiating as they were before.

    If the parties don’t agree to a deal by Feb. 8, McConnell vowed to take up stand-alone legislation to fix the matter and let the Senate work its will on the floor — as long as the government remained open.

    The deal, however, doesn’t bind the House. Senate Democrats had sought a commitment from Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that he would put any Senate-passed immigration deal on the House floor. They didn’t get that.:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/government-shutdown-deal-democrats-lose-355997
     
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    The Democrats blinked. That was to be expected. They control nothing. They are a minority party in every sense of the word.

    Trump did absolutely nothing over the weekend to end the shutdown. He met with no one. Not one Senator has come forward and said Trump talked to him on the phone. Trump didn't call Schumer. He didn't call McConnell. He made no statements to the American people. Over the weekend, the White House remained shuttered. There was no news conference. Beyond a tweet asking for the nuclear option -- which was quickly rejected by the Republican leadership -- Trump didn't do a thing.

    The C.R. is for three weeks, and the Democrats were promised that the issue of the Dreamers would be taken up in that time. However, McConnell is already playing it coy. He is talking about immigration, not the Dreamers. Immigration reform is complicated and contains many issues, the wall, chain migration, lottery system, border security (which itself has many issues), status of the eleven million illegal immigrants living in the U.S., etc.etc. Congress has been trying to pass immigration reform for decades.

    So, in other words, the Republicans are already trying to complicate the issue. Schumer and the Democrats are talking only about the Dreamers and making them legal by statute. That is agreeable to over 80% of Americans and two-thirds of Republicans. Even Trump has said he loves the Dreamers.

    It will be interesting to see what the reaction of the Democrats will be if, at the end of the three-week C.R., McConnell and the Republicans are still dragging their feet on legalizing the Dreamers.

    Then there is another fascinating issue. If the Senate passes a bill legalizing the Dreamers, what will the House do? The House will go along with the Senate only if Trump approves.

    And no one knows what Trump will do.

    Including Trump.
     
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    You could have saved a lot of blather and kept it short. Why didn't you post this a couple of days ago, before you took the knee? Elections have consequences. :banana:
     
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    Like I said steve, we'll see. Remember Trump wasn't supposed to get elected? Think about that.
     
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    Ahhh yes, the intelligent one speaks.
     

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