Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Well...he did get impeached for behavior directly related to the findings from the GAO. So yes, they got him this time
     
  2. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm sure that's what he continues to tell himself too...
     
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    Wrathful_Buddha Well-Known Member

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    Yes, some people decided to impeach him.
     
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    I'm sure Trumps legal team have already read all 900 words. I can't find any reference to withholding military aid.
    https://www.gao.gov/assets/210/203470.pdf
    But on a side note this was written by Gary Kepplinger who is head of the Office of Legal Counsel and assists the US Attorney General in their function as legal advisor to the President. Often described as "the president's law firm."
    Not looking good for Nancy, no matter how many pens she gives away.
     
  5. stone6

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    No fine. Other than releasing the appropriated funding, there is no penalty, other than impeachment as an "abuse of power" by violating federal law for corrupt purposes (the quid pro quo for personal gain).
     
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    Correct.

    There's only video of him talking about successfully carrying out official US policy toward Ukraine. This policy was shared by every western country.

    Joe helped get rid of a corrupt prosecutor. That clown wasn't fighting corruption--he was involved in the corruption.

    And he's the same corrupt ass-clown working with Insane Rudy.
     
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    The facts speak for themselves. It was a matter on which he campaigned. Corruption in Ukraine was a major concern. There was clear probable cause of it.

    Tell me do the children of candidates for high office get immunity from investigation?
     
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    It was a fraudulent private investigation led by the President's personal attorney, with the President's permission, if not direction. The Biden investigation was to find dirt on Biden and his son for the 2020 election, should he be the nominee. The Crowdstrike Conspiracy investigation was to reverse the findings of the Mueller investigation for the benefit of Putin, Manafort, and others.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So there's no video of Biden threatening to withhold money that was approved to be given to them and if they didn't like it they could call daddy?
     
  10. Nemesis

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    *LOL*

    That mostly has to do with federal acquisitions, including real property. Since this is Volume III, I suspect that you're looking in the wrong place.

    Try again.

    PS--it's 900 pages, not 900 words.
     
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    The funds were legally held and legally disbursed according to OMB. Even if there was a minor administrative violation so what? Fine the executive branch. As the witnesses testified putting holds on foreign aid is SOP. And we STILL need a full investigation into the Biden scandal.
     
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    Yessir, Bonespurs is a corruption-fightin' hero!

    *LOL*

    Good God, those aren't the facts. The timeline doesn't support that goofy claim, Bonespurs' history doesn't support it, the factsdon't support it, and if he was "battlin' corruption", why was he trying to hide it?
     
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    And, he probably should have at least mentioned the word "corruption" in his July tel-con with the President of the Ukraine. He didn't.
     
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    My working theory is that Bonespurs hates corruption so much that he can't even say the word.
     
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    Nothing wrong with the timeline and again do the children of persons running for high office get some immunity from investigation?
     
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    Presidents routinely use personal envoys.
    Tell me what was this dirt on Joe Biden you claim was to be found? And with all the clamor about foreign influence into the election why then the complaints he was doing so? Because it involved Democrats?
     
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    What about investigations into the children of sitting presidents? Do you think having the President as her father qualified Ivanka for her White House position? Or, that her relationship to the President helped in anyway get her licenses from the Chinese to enable her to sell products in China? Did Jared, who holds a position in the White House, receive his real estate bail-out on his 666 property in NYC, based on sound financial analysis or did his relationship with the President and his WH position also play a factor?
     
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    I think it would be illegal if the aid were withheld completely. It was only delayed and still delivered before the deadline in the bill. More partisan hackery.
     
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    Presidents do use personal envoys. But not to cover-up crimes...committed by either themselves or others. You will have to ask Rudy about the nature of the dirt he was looking for on Biden. I am only going from what his associates have said publicly. Don't know what you mean by "the complaints he was doing so?" Biden was interfering in our elections? Please explain.
     
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    No, they're not "immune", but there should be a reason to investigate them.

    Well, what's the reason? They're "overpaid"?
     
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    It was withheld in order to compel the public announcement of an investigation. But, according to Bonespurs, it's A-OK because they got caught and sent the aid!
     
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    The aid was released only AFTER the withholding of aid and the WB complaint were exposed. An "attempted crime" is still a crime. And, there is no "deadline" in the ICA, other than the 45 days Congress has to either approve, disapprove, or do nothing in response to the President's notice of intent to withhold aid. Since such "notice" was never formally transmitted to Congress, per the requirements of the ICA, the Congressional "clock" never started running. The end of the fiscal year deadline for all appropriations designed for that fiscal year applies to ALL budgetary appropriations. If that deadline is not met, then the appropriation bill becomes null and void and the President must return to Congress for a new appropriation to spend the funds in the next fiscal year. That deadline in no way relieves the President of his responsibilities under the ICA.
     
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    As we all know, facts mean nothing in politics. Politics only cares about how the facts are interpreted. Politics is BS.
     
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    No problem holding back Aid for the benefit of the USA

    However Trump Broke the Law holding back aid for personal gain ( asking a foreign country to help him win his re election ).
     
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    Here's an actual timeline--andBTW, discredits the Trump fairytale about Biden getting the corrupt Shokin canned:

    https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

    “The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practice,” the New York Times reported at the time.

    Steven Pifer is a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton and deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs under President George W. Bush. He told PolitiFact that “virtually everyone” he knew in the U.S. government “felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed from office.”
     
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