Great Britain is Getting Hammered By the CoronaVirus

As of today it's 93,934 infected and 10,946 dead. Doesn't it seem odd that none of our GB established posters are telling us how bad and incompetent their government is and how they should have realized what they needed to do back in January and how they underplayed everything? Gasp! It's almost as if they do not enjoy true freedom of speech!

This post isn't really about the CoronaVirus; it's about coming over here as posters and spitting in our pond because they would get into trouble -- or at least there's a chance -- if they were to criticize their government and leaders along the same acerbic lines; especially during a national emergency. That or they honestly think that things are just all hunky-dory over there and that only the U.S. government is screwing up. Doubtful, eh?

I wonder how much of the above applies to Australia as well. One notices that none of their posters are evincing any criticism of their government during their slice of the CoronaVirus crisis. It makes one wonder just how free any of them are to criticize their government during a crisis. Oh well . . . just thought I'd mention it.

 

I for one can absolutely assure that anyone in the U.K. is at liberty to express themselves regarding their government just as much as we are.

 

I am sure the constant complainers from other countries are jealous of our freedoms. The railing about our healthcare, guns, and president are dead giveaways.

 

You are joking right?

Brits take aim at politicians more frequently than Americans do and the only reason you do not know this is because American news sources focus on America

 

Australia is excused because they have had relatively few infections or deaths; but it's spookily quiet in regards to Britain. So many infections and so many deaths and yet all the criticism posted on this system is aimed at the United States. Well perhaps not. You see one cannot name specific posters without receiving a warning. There is, however, one British poster who wallows in criticism of Trump and his handling of the Corona Virus and yet is utterly silent in regards to what is happening within his own borders . . . just as if he dare not openly criticize his own government during a crisis.

 

Good post, per capita the UK is doing much worse than the US.

 

Uk has been pathetic for decades due to Marxism

 

They may take aim, but they must be firing blanks because England seems to be pretty strict in the free speech department. A lot of the things prohibited below would get many liberals and their media outlets is a bit of trouble.

Censorship in the United Kingdom has a history with various stringent and lax laws in place at different times.

British citizens have a negative right to freedom of expression under the common law.[1] In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act. However, there is a broad sweep of exceptions including threatening or abusive words or behaviour intending or likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress or cause a breach of the peace (which has been used to prohibit racist speech targeted at individuals),[2][3][4] sending another any article which is indecent or grossly offensive with an intent to cause distress or anxiety (which has been used to prohibit speech of a racist or anti-religious nature),[5][6][7] incitement,[8] incitement to racial hatred,[9] incitement to religious hatred, incitement to terrorism including encouragement of terrorism and dissemination of terrorist publications,[8][10][11] glorifying terrorism,[12][13] collection or possession of a document or record containing information likely to be of use to a terrorist,[14][15] treason including advocating for the abolition of the monarchy or compassing or imagining the death of the monarch,[16][17][18][19][20] sedition,[17] obscenity,[21] indecency including corruption of public morals and outraging public decency,[22] defamation,[23] prior restraint, restrictions on court reporting including names of victims and evidence and prejudicing or interfering with court proceedings,[24][25] prohibition of post-trial interviews with jurors,[25] time, manner, and place restrictions,[26] harassment, privileged communications, trade secrets, classified material, copyright, patents, military conduct, and limitations on commercial speech such as advertising.

As of 2017, it was estimated that nine people per day were being arrested for online speech in the UK with five leading to convictions.[27][28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

I seem to recall a great many posters saying that it was inappropriate to compare the spikes in US cases to specific european countries because of the differences in size, geography, and population.

 

That will all change in a hundred years or so when Sharia laws goes into effect.

 

So you made a thread to call out the one UK poster you know of from this thread (without actually saying his name) because that one UK poster has not criticized his own government, as far as you know?

 

So you leap to an erroneous conclusion because you cannot grasp that the stated reason is the actual reason? Interesting. Evidence suggests that British posters risk government retribution for criticizing their government during a crisis.

 

You mean making erroneous comparisons? Yes that traditional leftist habit needs to change.

 

There are very few countries and no bureaucratic bodies whatsoever that I trust to accurately tabulate what is a COVID19 death/case versus not. Follow the money, sad fact of the world today.

The same stock in trade of the U.S. MSM is, surprise, surprise, the same stock in trade of the bureaucrats, and the same of the crony companies. Fear. This is just a fun ad campaign for them. Wonder what would happen if my cousin who owns a machine shop started putting ads on television threatening that you'd lose a hand (or your grandmother would die of suffocation) if you didn't buy his patented press guard? What is -their- product again? Who are the clients? Not us, that much is sure.

But Biden has the answers? Once he remembers the questions he'll tell them right to you, Fat.

Maybe the Russians are trustworthy to count honestly? Wouldn't that be ****ing ironic.

 

I wonder if progressives in the U.K. are as opportunistic as ours here in the U.S.?

 

Perhaps you should @ the one UK poster you know of and ask him directly.

 

Which is why I made my comment about per capita. If you want to compare the US, compare it to the entire EU + UK.

 

Dogs of a different breed, but still dogs.

 

I am an American French dual national. I live in France now. I don't post about France's reaction to the Coronavirus because I am 100 percent sure that no one here cares particularily, and pretty sure that about 85 percent here couldn't name the Prime Minister of France if their life depended on it. I talk about US politics even though I no longer live in the US because this is an American website with a predominantly American audience. Foreigners who are interested in politics chime in because what happens in America has a deep impact upon what happens in the world. What happens in France hardly affects the day to day life in the US, the inverse however is not true.
As to the right to free speech, you are just absolutely mistaken. There is no fear of reprisal for political speech in the UK or France. There is not a person who would fear coming out against Boris Johnson or Macron (or Edouard Phillipe the prime minister; Just saved you a google search) and their policies.
Europe does have some restriction on hate speech that you do not have in the US but if you think that that is curtailing anyone's expression regarding european leaders and their policies, you are completely and totally mistaken.

 

Where’s this evidence? There’s loads of people criticising the governments response both in the media and private citizens.

We have had reporters criticising the governments actions in supplying PPE to front line staff in the daily briefings. The person’s response was to thank them for the question and explain the difficulties and how there are working to improve the situation. What they didn’t do is take any criticism as a personal insult and have a tantrum.

What we have seen is a coordinated response nationally, supplying equipment where it is most needed, not hold a sodding auction of critical supplies, how the hell strategic supplies are just put into the normal supply chain to be sold to the highest bidder and not supplied where they are needed the most seems to be insane.

 

Macron is an ass hat who really ****ed up in his response to coronavirus;

Hey look, I posted and I have no fear that I will be arrested for it. And let's note that the only curtailing of free speech is done by this American website that edits out strong language.

 

So it should be very easy for you to find a couple of our Brit members, doing so. Please find a quote or link one, even one. According to what you claim, this forum should be flooded with them. But one will suffice.

 

This website is privately owned and operated. They can do, what they see fit. Even demand you bark like a dog, to register.

I dont always agree with actions here, but I do realize I choose to post here, of my own free will and PF does not represent (or speak for), the US Gov.

 

Less than a fifth of the number of cases in the US but half the number of deaths. Yeah, not good.

Does dumbsht Johnson still insist on shaking hands with people?

 

Great job of comparing apples and oranges well done!

Just for clarity this was weeks before he was diagnosed, I.e couldn’t of been the source. Saying that, he hasn’t been perfect, but he’s done a good job and has not tried to make political capital or score points.