Greenland's Ice Melting

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  1. jc456

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    he is known as wash, rinse, repeat. His laundry is old and full of holes.
     
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    I know you want to cut my non believer head off don't you. :roflol:
     
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    You just project your own sicknesses and ill will.

    I want you to pull your head out of....the sand, and wake up to the massively scientifically confirmed reality of human caused global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions. I want you to stop swallowing the self-serving deceptive and very fraudulent propaganda cooked up by the fossil fuel industry. I want you to take an honest look at the evidence and the testimony of the world scientific community.
     
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    And then what, vote Democrat? :roll:
     
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    the political nonsense you mean. hahahahahaahhahahahaha can you use 25 pt font to reply please? Maybe I'll hear you better.
     
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    And there is the insanity of the denier cult, plainly revealed. I cite the overwhelming scientific evidence and the testimony of the world scientific community, both of which support the reality of human caused global warming....and you foolishly imagine that all of that is just "political nonsense". Too bad you're so desperately confused and grieviously misled.
     
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    That would definitely be better than your usual election mantra...."Vote Dim"....

    As usual, of course, your party has supplied you with a wide choice of very 'Dim'-witted candidates.
     
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    so what's your theory on why their message, if so accurate and vital, is missed by 91% of Americans? Why can't they prove their position instead of politicizing it?
     
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    LOLOLOLOLOLOL......ROTFLMFAO........and your crackpot "theory" is obviously that the the truth and validity of scientific facts are determined, not by research and investigation of the real world, but rather by 'public opinion polls'......LOLOLOL.....sooooo demented.....

    In the real world, these are the kind of results you get from 'public opinion polls'.....

    10 Most Bizarre Survey Finds
    ODDEE
    10/15/2014
    1.) 1 in 10 people think HTML is a Sexually Transmitted Disease
    The webpage you are reading was created using HTML, the standard markup language used to create web pages.

    However, 11% of people surveyed believe HTML was a sexually transmitted disease. The study was conducted by Vouchercloud.net, a coupon website, as a way to determine how knowledgeable users are when it comes to tech terms.

    Besides HTML, 27% identified "gigabyte" as an insect commonly found in South America, 23% thought an "MP3" was a "Star Wars" robot, and 18% identified "Blu-ray" as a marine animal. (Source)

    2.) 1 in 4 Americans think God helps decide the outcome of football games
    Does God, the creator of the Universe, tally up the number and intensity of prayers to decide the outcome of football games? Up to 27% Americans believe that God actually plays a role in determining which team wins a sporting event.

    The survey, conducted on January of 2013 by the Public Religion Research Institute, consisted of random telephone interviews with 1,033 subjects. More than half of those surveyed also believe that God rewards athletes who have faith in Him. Perhaps we should ban prayer before games if it's a performance enhancer. (Source)

    3.) 51% of people think stormy weather "affects" Cloud Computing
    Are you keeping your files "up there in the cloud"? If so, stormy weather might affect them, or at least that's what 51% of surveyed Americans believe.

    "Cloud computing" is a term to describe a network of servers (computers) that work together to allow centralized data storage and online access to computer services or resources. However, the 2012 survey conducted by Wakefield Research among over 1,000 American adults found that most of them remain "foggy" about what the cloud really is and how it works. Another 95% don't think they'll ever use cloud computing, even though they're already doing a lot in the cloud without checking the weather report. (Source)

    4.) 1 in 4 Americans thinks the Sun goes around the Earth
    Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth? It sounds like an elementary school science test question, but a 2012 survey of 2,200 people in the United States found about 26% people answered incorrectly.

    In the same survey, just over half understood that antibiotics are not effective against viruses. As alarming as some of those deficits in science acumen might appear, Americans actually fared better on several of the questions than similar but older surveys of their Chinese and European counterparts. (Source

    5.) 1 in 5 Brits would have Sex with a Robot
    Forget about Terminator movies and wars against machines: some people would rather get nasty with them instead. A 2014 survey of over 2,000 people in the UK found that one in five Brits would be willing to have sex with robots.

    The survey made by the Middlesex University also found that 46% of participants felt that technology was progressing too quickly, and at least 33% believe robots will one day replace soldiers, cops and teachers. (Source)

    6.) 40% of people would Save their Dog over a Foreign Tourist
    There's a high-speed bus barreling toward you with no signs of slowing down. Your dog and a foreign tourist stand in its path, deer-in-the-headlights style. You can only save one. Which do you choose?

    40% of surveyed people faced with this hypothetical question said they would save their dog's life rather than the foreigner's, according to researchers at Georgia Regents University and Cape Fear Community College. That number is higher for women, at about 45%. (Source)

    7.) American Churchgoers are more likely to Support Torture than those unaffiliated
    The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a 2009 survey by the Pew Research Center on 742 adults.

    54% of people who attend services at least once a week said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified -- more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it: only 4 in 10 of them did. (Source)

    8.) Average Americans think they're smarter than the Average American
    55% of Americans think they are smarter than the average American, according to a 2014 survey by YouGov, a research organization that uses online polling, while a humble 34% of citizens say they are about as smart as everyone else, and a dispirited 4% say they are less intelligent than most people.

    Unsurprisingly, white men are more likely than women, Hispanic and African-Americans to say they are "much more intelligent." (Source)

    9.) More Americans oppose "Obamacare" than "Affordable Care Act," but they are the same
    Some people call it "Obamacare," some "Affordable Care Act," but a CNBC survey in 2013 found 46% Americans oppose the health care law when calling it "Obamacare," while just 37% oppose it when calling it "Affordable Care Act."

    We can only conclude that everybody wants something "affordable," but not everyone likes it when Obama is behind it. (Source)

    10.) Survey found that most Americans don't trust Survey Results
    Are all these surveys biased anyway? According to a new poll from the "data investment management" organization Kantar, 75% Americans "believe that most polls you hear about ... are biased toward a particular point of view," while only 19 percent think they are unbiased.

    The Kantar survey was conducted in 2013 with 1,011 random American adults by landline and cell phone, or perhaps it wasn't all that random? (Source)
     
  10. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the game here. The left creates a crisis and then claims only the left can fix it. I fell for it when I was young and every new generation has to learn the lesson

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    That's the game here. The left creates a crisis and then claims only the left can fix it. I fell for it when I was young and every new generation has to learn the lesson
     
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    Americans only care about their local weather only and don't observe anything other than their weather. And, well, it doesn't line up with your supposed experts. And why 91% don't care.
     
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    LOLOLOLOL.....

    So what do your nonsensical mistaken beliefs about what Americans "care about" have to do with the scientifically confirmed reality of human caused global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions that threaten the well being of mankind and all life on the Earth?

    And as far as your fraudulent denier cult myths about "91% of Americans not caring" about global warming and climate change...LOL...

    American Opinions on Global Warming: A Yale/Gallup/Clearvision Poll
    Overall, a large majority of the American public were personally convinced that global warming is happening (71%). Surprisingly, however, only 48 percent believed that there is consensus among the scientific community, while 40 percent of Americans believed there is a lot of disagreement among scientists over whether global warming is occurring. Thus, many Americans appeared to have already made up their minds, without waiting for a perceived scientific consensus. Further, 69 percent of Americans believed that global warming is caused mainly by human activities (57%), or caused equally by humans and natural changes (12%), while only 29 percent believed it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment.

    Americans were evenly split, however, on their level of worry about global warming, with 50 percent personally worried either a great deal (15%) or a fair amount (35%) vs. 50 percent worried only a little (28%) or not at all (22%). These levels of personal worry were due in part to the fact that many Americans believe global warming is a serious threat to other species, people and places far away, but not so serious of a threat to themselves, their own families, or local communities.

    Over the past few years, American perceptions that global warming is currently or will soon have dangerous impacts on people around the world have increased significantly. This survey found that 48 percent of Americans believed that global warming is already having dangerous impacts on people (30%) or will within the next ten years (18%): a 20 percentage point increase since the question was last asked in a nationally representative survey in June, 2004. Surprisingly, a large majority of Americans (62%) believed that global warming is an urgent threat requiring immediate and drastic action.


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    Two-Thirds of Americans Want U.S. to Join Climate Change Pact
     
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    it's easy it's called politicians who will work for a specific group. And so far, the politicians are not being driven to make a change to something that isn't believed to be broken. So you're stuck with wash, rinse, repeat as your stance. It's very funny to watch your text pt sizes, it shows that you are one frustrated puppy, and that you most likely beat your head on a wall because folks don't take your posts seriously. I laugh at you. Again, post up at 25 pt font and maybe that will make a difference, cause your 15 pt font isn't working. It just shows your frustration at life.

    BTW, there is no date on your poll. And it isn't accurate at all. 38% believe what you say is 62%.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/01/poll-91-of-americans-arent-worried-about-global-warming/

    "A YouGov poll of 18,000 people in 17 countries found only 9.2 percent of Americans rank global warming as their biggest concern. Only Saudi Arabians were less concerned about global warming at 5.7 percent. The biggest concern for Americans was global terrorism — 28 percent of Americans polled listed this as their top issue."

    Just in case you don't think there are more polls out there. Check out my font size.
     
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    LOLOL...actually, no matter what your demented denier cult myths tell you, the 'Yale/Gallup/Clearvision Poll' that I just posted is quite accurate and very recent, copyrighted in 2016.

    The reality is that: "Overall, a large majority of the American public were personally convinced that global warming is happening (71%). Further, 69 percent of Americans believed that global warming is caused mainly by human activities (57%), or caused equally by humans and natural changes (12%), while only 29 percent believed it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment. This survey found that 48 percent of Americans believed that global warming is already having dangerous impacts on people (30%) or will within the next ten years (18%): a 20 percentage point increase since the question was last asked in a nationally representative survey in June, 2004. Surprisingly, a large majority of Americans (62%) believed that global warming is an urgent threat requiring immediate and drastic action."


    Why did you ignore the other link about a different survey from two and a half months ago? Had trouble nit-picking it?

    Two-Thirds of Americans Want U.S. to Join Climate Change Pact
    The New York Times
    By GIOVANNI RUSSONELLO
    NOV. 30, 2015
    A solid majority of Americans say the United States should join an international treaty to limit the impact of global warming, but on this and other climate-related questions, opinion divides sharply along partisan lines, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

    Two-thirds of Americans support the United States joining a binding international agreement to curb growth of greenhouse gas emissions, but a slim majority of Republicans remain opposed, the poll found. Sixty-three percent of Americans — including a bare majority of Republicans — said they would support domestic policy limiting carbon emissions from power plants.







    LOL. Trying to twist things again, eh? The percentage of people who consider AGW/CC to be the "most serious" problem in the world for them has little to do with how many people consider AGW/CC to be a serious problem that needs to be dealt with.

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    New YouGov research reveals climate change is considered the third most serious issue facing the world by the world's population, with a 12.8% share of concern, behind international terrorism (25.1%) and poverty, hunger and the lack of drinking water (15.2%).

    Samples in 17 countries throughout Asia, North America, Europe, the Middle East and Australia were asked during November – December 2015 to say which of nine issues facing the world they consider to be a serious issue, and then which one they consider to be the most serious. The percentage scores represent an average of these two, so as to include both the breadth and intensity of concern.
     
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    it's all political to you, you even stated so, vote democrat. It's what you claimed, to resolve climate issues. Yep political not scientific. It's been pointed out to you repeatedly and you confirm with each post. Please, confirm once more.
     
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    No, it isn’t.

    I don’t, they are incorrect and that is proven by the lack of the topic in the political arena today. I think you should actually understand politics if you wish to use them to base your arguments on. The country is more conservative than it is liberal, you should really understand that before you post.

    I love make believe and tea parties.

    sure
     
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    Here a real poll.

    opinion poll 2016.png
     
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    James Hansen Ph. D. has stated that the last time that
    average world temperatures rose by three degrees......

    ocean levels rose by about 25 meters in about four centuries.
     
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    well since the seas aren't rising, I supposed that three degrees is an error or made up. LOL
     
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    The earths temp has risen .8 degrees C or less than 2 degrees F.
     
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    It is scientifically proven that humans have existed for billions of years and human industrialized starting billions of years ago because geological evidence documents dramatic changes in the earth's climate, which can only be caused by humans.
     
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    If you look back in history there was an event that happened before the ice returned to Greenland. That was the Black Death and it killed millions. After this happened many farms went back to forest because labor was not available to till and farm the land. This would prevent the carbon loss from tilling soils and the untilled land would absorb carbon and cool the earth. So it is possible that the plague contributed to a global cooling event.
     
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    I kind of doubt your hypothesis because you are trying to say a very tiny area of the world with very little agricultural in comparison to now had a very big effect
     
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    I do know we can store one ton of carbon per acre of land per year. That amounts to over 100 billion tons of carbon taken out of the air per year just by working with nature instead of against it.
     
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    Sorry but I'm just not convinced carbon is the bogey man and any efforts to suppress it is a waste of time IMO
     

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